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blaminack
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 Posted: 21 Oct 2004
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I think it would a stretch to say
that Reggae is just Rasta music. Much is secular with no Relgious
aspects at all. Remember the Roots of Reggae stretch beyond Rasta
influences. Ska and Rocksteady are the parents of Reggae. It wasn't
until a bit later that the influence of Rastafari came in to it.
Before that it was Party music that was an imitation and throw off
of Mototown, and Caribbean music. Also for a large part Reggae is
West Indian more than Rasta. Many Christian youth grew up listening
to Reggae so it is really about Culture for many. For me, it has
nothing to do with mockery in any way, but rather respect for the
innovative music that is such a huge part of my life. Why Reggae for
me? Honestly I don't know.
Check out my music and let me
know what you think... I think that you will find no mocking going
on.
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12TribesLion
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
22:01 Post subject: Only
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Thank you all for your responses
but here is as simple question I have to ask again. Besides the
ancient Hebrew Israelites and certain African tribes wearing locks,
who were the only people in this Western Hemisphere to have locks
and were proud of wearing them? It certainly weren't no Christians
because in those times when Rastafarians were reorganizing in
Jamaica and the Caribbean, all people who identify themselves as
Christians wore no locks on their heads, because they felt it was
barbaric and savage to put their hair into locks, through Babylon
false teaching.
Infact, these same so called Christian
people kicked their own children out of their houses because of
being Rastafarians. Now some Christians want to wear locks too?
Another thing is that Rastafari is bigger than Bob Marley and
Reggae, Marley didn't introduce people to dreadlocks, Rastas were
inspired through certain African tribes, such as the Massai, Watusi,
Danakil, Batawis, & others. Infact, Marley wasn't even
dreadlocks when the earliest Rastafarians were wearing locks, and
wasn't even singing Reggae then. Rastafari is bigger than Bob
Marley, for he wasn't even born when the Rastafari Elders began
trodding Rastafari.
Like I tell people already Rastafari is
not just about ganja, dreadlocks, and reggae but more than that! The
only people who truly brought dreadlocks to this Western Hemisphere
from Africa, are the Rastafarians. Who don't want to accept that
truth then do your research. I speaking as a Rastaman who been
taught Rastafari by elders when I was just a lil child, up to where
I am now as an adult, this is experience for I man, not just
assumptions. Alot of people now wearing locks especially some of
these so called Christians, and it is for style or
commercialization, while few are spiritual like us Rastas. 
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
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12 Tribes, Ini cite deh I ona
personal level, becasue still to dis day a youth in deh wrong house
may find demselves homeless, if dem come home talking bout a black
Christ and dat dem fi dreadup, espicially in deh Caribbean so deh I
reasoning is well I-verstood.
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"being 2nd
advent Christian and feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's
clothing masked as true Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force
Haile Selassie I on ones but to stay eternally cognizant dat
salvation is summed up in love for I-manity. | |
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12TribesLion
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
23:55 Post subject: Rasta
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Yes perfectloveinhim, I am
emphasizing on a personal level, not no assumptions like ones give
about Rastas who don't even know what it is to be a Rasta in the
first place. Ones have to experience for themselves what it is to be
a Rastafarian, before identifying themselves as Rastas. Dreadlocks
which we revealed to Babylon, was despised, so now why some people
who call themselves Christians want to wear locks fah?
Or
for that matter, use the red, gold, & green flag, the Lion of
Judah symbol, and chant Jah? Dem time deh only Rastafari used these
symbols, chant Jah Name, which baldheads ridiculed I n I for. I feel
it is nothing but commercial business going on with some who call
themselves Christians and using these symbols, which we the
Rastafarians were using before them. They need to recognise that.
But like the Bible says," There shall be Sheep and wolves in sheep
clothing."
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12TribesLion
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| Posted: 21 Oct 2004
23:59 Post subject: Rasta
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Yeah but blaminack, who are
really the founders of Reggae Music? Rastafarians. Christians didn't
even like Reggae, they despise it feeling it was the devil's music.
Now they want to call it Christian Reggae? I see nothing but pure
commercialization man.
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2004
00:01 Post subject: Re:
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| LongLiveZereYacob
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| But i think the real question that
12TribesLion was asking was why are White Christians wearing
dreadlocks? |
Well, some "white" people also have hair
forms that naturally lock. I have an Irish friend, for example,
whose hair locks if she doesn't brush more than once a day. In cases
like hers, locking can also be an expression of natural-ness.
What about people with otherwise straight hair that isn't
naturally prone to locking? Again, I would suggest the answer
depends on the person, and that we really have to ask them why they do it. Maybe they
have their own vow of consecration--who knows if we don't ask? Could
be any number of reasons we haven't thought of.
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| My question is, that according the Christafari
opinion, dreads are worn by Christians in order to convert
Rastas. This seems to be a terrible reason so is it the
reason? |
That
may be Mark Mohr & Christafari reason, but I think it would be
wrong to assume that reason for other people without asking.
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| it seems to be an abuse of the
culture. |
Maybe
it is and maybe it is not. I think the first thing is to ask, to
know why that person does
it. What does it mean to them? Try to understand that person and
his/her reason. Then explain your concern(s) about their reason. If
their reason offends you, for example, calmly explain why: propose
another view to them. See if they have a response: let them propose
a different view to you. Discuss it. I think the only real way to
deal with such issues justly is to talk to people directly and try
to create understanding between you.
When Rastas are
persecuted because people fear how "different" their dreads are, you
see the injustice. People are making an assumption that isn't
necessarily fair. It's not right. They shouldn't do that. But if
Rastas always got offended by non-Rastas wearing dreads without
asking them why, that wouldn't be fair either.
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| It makes them just another hair style, and
dreads should not be so. |
You can't stop something from being a fashion
just because you think the fashion cheapens it, though. Christians
are often frustrated by people who wear a cross for merely fashion
purposes too, but what can they do about it?
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| ( i think it is because of bands like KoRn
making dreds in general popular amongst
teenagers) |
No
doubt things like this are an influence.
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| I am even more curious, not that white
christians are wearing dreads, but that are embracing reggae
music and culture but rejecting Ethiopian Orthodox and
Rasfafari! Why is this? |
Well most reggae music is not Ethiopian Orthodox! There's no
essential connection between the two.
And not all reggae
music is explicitly Rastafarian, either, even when the artist is a
Rasta. There's nothing in the song "Concrete Jungle" by Bob Marley,
for example, that a Christian would disagree with or object to. It's
just a great song that anyone could identify with and love.
As for me, I am a Christian who loves reggae music, whether
Rasta or otherwise. Just because I don't always agree with
everyone's ideas doesn't mean I can't appreciate the music and
lyrics and be positively affected by them.
Besides, many
Rastas are Christians, whether they call themselves by that name or
not.
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There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2004
00:17 Post subject: Re:
Only Rastafarians |
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| 12TribesLion wrote: |
| Besides the ancient Hebrew Israelites and
certain African tribes wearing locks, who were the only people
in this Western Hemisphere to have locks and were proud of
wearing them? |
Why do we need any "besides" those? Why
except Africans as if they don't count???
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| It certainly weren't no Christians because in
those times when Rastafarians were reorganizing in Jamaica and
the Caribbean |
I didn't say there were any in the Caribbean at that time.
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| In fact, these same so called Christian people
kicked their own children out of their houses because of being
Rastafarians. |
Yes, some people, including some Christians,
are very bad parents. Many parents just don't know how to respond
rightly to a child who seems to reject his society and culture, and
the feeling of personal rejection usually exacerbates the problem.
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| Rastafari is bigger than Bob Marley and
Reggae |
Of
course it is. Older too. Who said otherwise? But Marley was one of
the biggest Rasta influences in the rest of the world, in
non-Caribbean cultures. Most people in the world would never have
heard of reggae or Rastafari if it had not been for him and others
like him. This forum probably wouldn't even exist.
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| Rastafari is bigger than Bob Marley, for he
wasn't even born when the Rastafari Elders began trodding
Rastafari. |
Again, who said otherwise? I said he was a
big factor in popularizing
locks, and I did not mean
in the Caribbean but around
the world.
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| The only people who truly brought dreadlocks
to this Western Hemisphere from Africa, are the
Rastafarians. |
Perhaps the only people in the West who
consciously adopted locks as a symbol of their way of life were
Rastas, but I assure you that there were were many non-Rastas who
had locks elsewhere just because
that's what their hair does, and they didn't mess with
it.
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 22 Oct 2004
00:28 Post subject: Re:
Rasta experience not no assumptions |
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| 12TribesLion wrote: |
| Or for that matter, use the red, gold, &
green flag, the Lion of Judah symbol, and chant
Jah? |
As usual,
my response is: all of these images originate in Judaism &
Christianity. Ethiopia, whose flag the colors come from, is a
traditionally Christian nation. The Lion of Judah appears in the New
Testament and has always been understood by Christians to be Y'shua.
The name "Jah" appears in the Old Testament as a form of YHWH. So if
Jews and Christians want to use these images, they don't have to ask
anyone's permission.
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| Dem time deh only Rastafari used these
symbols, chant Jah Name, which baldheads ridiculed I n I
for. |
Apparently you have a very limited experience
of the interaction between Christianity and Rastafari, and it's all
been bad.
But that is not always the way everywhere. I was
raised in a devout Christian family by parents who love reggae music
and appreciate Rasta culture and religions, despite having some
different beliefs. I was raised to respect Rastas even when we
disagree. I learned many good lessons about being a Christian from
Rastas. My family never ridiculed Rastafari or Rastas, nor tried to
persecute them in any way. In fact, admiration was more common.
I think things were much worse in the Caribbean where
Rastafari originated. They were not that way
everywhere.
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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