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JonaGus Forum
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Posted: 22 Oct 2004
00:31 Post subject: Re:
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| Christians didn't even like Reggae, they
despise it feeling it was the devil's
music. |
Again,
that's just not true everywhere. I was raised Christian by my
parents, and they love reggae music. They never considered it
"devil" music. In fact, my mother would laugh at any Christian who
reacted so foolish. _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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The Messenjah Forum Veteran

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 111 Location: Babylon,
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Posted: 22 Oct 2004
05:09 Post subject: Re:
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| JonaGus wrote: |
| 12TribesLion
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| Christians didn't even like Reggae, they
despise it feeling it was the devil's
music. |
Again, that's just not true everywhere.
I was raised Christian by my parents, and they love reggae
music. They never considered it "devil" music. In fact, my
mother would laugh at any Christian who reacted so
foolish. | It's not true everywhere, at all. It's just
alot of christians have done this, with every kind of music. punk,
blues, reggae, rock, rap, dance, ect,ect. For alot of christians(and
anyone, for that matter), if it's not in CCM or the old time Gospel
hour on the radio, or anything they like or are prone to, it's not
acceptable. But times are changing, and new leaders are rising
up that understand these things aren't "satans" music, or
orgy-filled-demonic-lust-sounds. _________________
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JonaGus Forum
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Posted: 22 Oct 2004
16:27 Post subject: Re:
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| The Messenjah
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It's not true everywhere, at all. It's
just alot of christians have done this, with every kind of
music. punk, blues, reggae, rock, rap, dance, ect,ect. For
alot of christians(and anyone, for that matter), if it's not
in CCM or the old time Gospel hour on the radio, or anything
they like or are prone to, it's not acceptable.
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That
attitude was entirely foreign to my family. Motown, reggae, soul,
and such were the primary sounds of my childhood. In fact, I never
heard of anything like CCM until high school, and I've never much
liked any of it. I always thought of CCM,
Christian-musical-exclusivity, and the creation of an Evangelical
Protestant subculture as a foreign and disturbing trend, creepy and
alien to traditional Christianity.
So, if anything, I grew
up as a Christian with a bias against Evangelical Protestantism.
 _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
Selassie | |
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12TribesLion

Joined: 01 Oct 2002 Posts: 58 Location:
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Posted: 22 Oct 2004
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Again, this response is coming
from a person who is from the Caribbean, who knows the Rasta
experience quite well, not assumptions like some of you are giving
here who are not even from the Caribbean, where Rastafari was
organized and where Reggae music began. Reggae was & is still
considered to be devils music by alot of Christians in the Islands,
maybe not in America but surely in the Islands. Only Rasta were
Reggae music listeners, surely not Christians.
Yeah Reggae
come from ska and rock steady, but only Rastafarians introduced
Reggae. So I am asking again why these so called Christians wearing
locks, using the red, gold, & green colors, & chanting Jah
fah? Pure commercial business ah gwan with Babylon. It seems like
blaminack is from the Caribbean also, because he overstands exactly
what I am saying here, others are not comprehending my words at
all. _________________ "Unto which promise our Twelve Tribes,
instantly serving Jah day and night, hope to come. "(Acts
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blaminack Moderator

Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1943 Location: Panama
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Posted: 22 Oct 2004
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12 Tribes Lion,
No I am
not from the Caribbean but God has given me a great love for the
West Indian people and culture.
One thing that I have
noticed in general, and I am not by any means trying to be making
stereotypes or be critical... but I have noticed that many of the
West Indian traditional churches are of a very legalistic bent. But
also it is the same where I am from here in Florida.
It
wasn't very long ago that some preachers preached against
airconditioning because they believed it was catering to the
"flesh". Many still have serious pet peeves that are very important
to them.
12 Tribes Lion, I don't consider these things to be
just held in the Christian faith. Bobos Shantys from the things that
I have read are very dogmatic and have legalistic tendancy as well.
There is a fundamentalist strain in all religions.
I think
that some of the things that you see as Chrisitan schizophrenia is
more likely a realization that these things were not in fact sinful.
One of the things that has been rolling over in my mind
about things like this is that I want to strive more and more
towards a Biblical Faith and more away from Non-Biblical forms and
tradtions. More towards the real thing that Christ walked and less
of the influences of men's opinions. | |
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JonaGus Forum
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Posted: 23 Oct 2004
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| 12TribesLion wrote: |
| Reggae was & is still considered to be
devils music by alot of Christians in the
Islands |
I am
not denying that. What I am saying is that my family is Christian and we believe their
judgment about reggae is foolish, stupid, and wrong. So not all Christians think of Rastas
and reggae that way, and it is not
right to assume they do.
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| So I am asking again why these so called
Christians wearing locks, using the red, gold, & green
colors, & chanting Jah fah? |
And again, as before: these are Christian
images and terms from before Rasta, so we can also use them.
Besides, as I said before, many Rastas are Christians. Why are you
trying to create such a harsh dichotomy?
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| others are not comprehending my words at
all. |
I do know
what you are saying, brother. Rastas have been wrongly
persecuted, and I have always condemned the persecution of
Rastas. Apparently you haven't really been reading my posts, or you
would have noticed phrases like "I have no doubt they considered
themselves Christians, although it's pretty clear that they often
failed to behave as Christians must" and "many Rastas have often
suffered unjustly when they were feared because they violated social
expectations and norms." Or again, "When Rastas are persecuted
because people fear how 'different' their dreads are, you see the
injustice. People are making an assumption that isn't necessarily
fair. It's not right. They shouldn't do that."
Persecution
is, despite what these so-called Christians may have claimed, very
UN-Christian behavior: forbidden to Christians by Y'shua himself!
So I have repeatedly agreed with you, brother, that Rastas
have been unjustly persecuted. And so far your only response is to
behave as if all Christians,
without exception, are cruel
persecutors of Rastas. Perhaps you need to ask yourself whether your
own attitude is just? _________________ Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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12TribesLion

Joined: 01 Oct 2002 Posts: 58 Location:
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Posted: 23 Oct 2004
05:57 Post subject: What do
Christians know about Rastafari in the first place? |
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Blaminack what does the
Boboshanti have to do with this discussion? I am talking about the
ignorant behaviour of some Christians, not Rastas. Once again
jonagus I find your thought to be really ridiculous. Because like I
said already, these are African symbols not Jewish. Infact, I have
never seen no Judaist using a red, gold, & green flag, their's
is a white and blue flag, with a blue Star of David in the center.
The Ethiopian Flag which us Rastafarians use is not Jewish, but has
Red, Gold, & Green with the Lion of Judah in the center, an
African emblem.
The Lion of Judah symbol is surely not
Jewish, because Hebrews were and are not Jewish there is a
difference with these European people, and the original inhabitants,
the Hebrew Israelites. So you're not making any sense at all about
these are Jewish symbols, Rastas are using. Because Rastafari ain't
derive from no Judaism or Christianity like you and others assume.
What do you or anyone else here know about Rastafari anyway when
you're not even Rastafarians? These are African symbols and who are
the only people in this Western Hemisphere to first use them?
Christians? Nope. It was us Rastafarians, that were using
them for liberation purposes not for commercialization, like ones
are doing with them. It was us Rastafarians who chanted Jah to
society before anyone else in this Western Hemisphere, a name which
alot of Christians considered to be evil, when it is written in
Psalms 68? Again it was only us who boldly wore locks before anyone
else in this Western Hemisphere, & founded Reggae Music to
uplift the people with, who were suffering in the Ghetto.
So
credit must be due to us Rastafarians, & not taken away from us
by anyone. Like I man said already I know some Christians that are
irie with us, but not all are, that's a fact. It is they who I
really oppose from using the colors, chanting Jah, wearing locks,
and most of all, playing Reggae music, in what they call Christian
Reggae. This
is a reason why I really seperate myself from alot of Christian
people, because they are obviously confused & white washed by
Babylon, believing that us Rastafarians are being mislead? No, we
have learned the truth for ourselves.
Since some people who
call themselves Christians feel that even Rastafarians who look to
Yahshua the Messiah and not Emperor Haile Selassie I, like other
Rastas, are lost and needs to be found, is an absolute ignorant
gesture. Truthfully, I ain't no Christian, I am a Rastafarian, &
I am not ashamed of who I am. You ain't going to see me calling
myself a Christian Rasta or Rasta Christian like others are doing,
because that seems to be confusing to me. So I identify myself with
the livity that I man embrace, which is Rastafari, not Christianity.
What all these westernized Christians need to know before
making false assumptions of us Rastafarians, is that not all Rastas
see His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie I as the returned Messiah.
We have different views on who the Emperor is just like Christians
have on Jesus Christ. It is not true that all Christians see Jesus
as God, because I have spoken to some who rather see him to be the
Son of God, & yet they are Christian people. So it shouldn't be
no surprise for anyone to learn about the different views of us
Rastafarians at all. Jews and Muslims even have different opinions,
so what else is new? No matter what the wicked try to do, they can
never destroy Rastafari! Rastafari Live Up!
p.s. Ever
since I joined this forum, I've read some serious anti-Rasta remarks
& I decided to just leave the site. But here I am again, &
these same anti-Rasta emphty rhetorics are given, & it makes me
want to think that us Rastafarians shouldn't even be here. Yeah some
people pretend like they are not against us, but I feel they are,
just by listening to their thoughts on us.
I came here to
put an end to all stereotypes on Rastafari, given by non Rastas,
& hope that they can learn for themselves what Rastafari really
is about. Unfortunately some are rather ignorant and feel like they
know about us Rastas when they aren't even Rastas. Maybe all Rastas
should just leave this forum for these westernized Christian people.
Why should we waste our time with Babylon, my Rasta
people? _________________ "Unto which promise our Twelve
Tribes, instantly serving Jah day and night, hope to come. "(Acts
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blaminack Moderator

Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1943 Location: Panama
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Posted: 23 Oct 2004
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12 Tribes Lion,
who asked
what Bobo Shanty has to do with this discussion, and it is that
legalism and a faith based on works is a part of every faith. This
is the reason why so called Christians persecuted the Rases.
12 Tribes Lion I for one am glad that you are here and have
decided to participate in these discussion. They give you an
opportunity to change some stereotypes that have been left in the
mind of the Christian youth.
If we do nothing here, it is
expose one another to differant mindsets. | |
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