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JonaGus
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| warthog wrote: |
Y'shua NEVER said "I
am not God"
ON THE CROSS YESHUAH SAID FATHER
WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME |
We believe Y'shua is God, not the Father. There is no
contradiction between these two
beliefs.
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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so know we are saying dat dere is
a difference between God & deh
Fada?
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"being 2nd advent Christian and
feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing masked as true
Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile Selassie I on ones
but to stay eternally cognizant dat salvation is summed up in love
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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so now we are saying dat dere is
a difference between Jah & deh Fada?
why when Britain
sent official emmisaries to Ethiopia in 1958 & 1959 to ask Haile
Selassie I to deny He is deh Almighty to halt deh Rastafarian
movement, there was never ever any response official or unofficial?
does not Christ refer to Jah as deh one who sent Him, not
that He was deh sender Himself?
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| But Selassie refused wroship when he said "I
am a man, and man cannot worship man." And Selassie denied
being God when he called Y'shua his Creator. I do not believe
Selassie was lying about this. He really isn't God.
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in deh book
"From Babylon to Rastafari, deh author Douglas Mack details his
travels forward to meet with H.I.M. and how He allows deh Ras
delegation to chant psalms and give praise unto H.I.M. without
interuption. so your theory of H.I.M. refusing worship has flopped,
sorry.
Give Thanks for life
Hail
H.I.M.
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"being 2nd advent Christian and
feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing masked as true
Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile Selassie I on ones
but to stay eternally cognizant dat salvation is summed up in love
for I-manity. | |
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 13 Oct 2004
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| perfectloveinH.I.M.
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| so know we are saying dat dere is a difference
between God & deh Fada? |
The Father is God and the Son is God, but the
Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. This is the
ancient and traditional Christian faith. All Christians believe
this, including Emperor Haile
Selassie.
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 13 Oct 2004
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| perfectloveinH.I.M.
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| He allows deh Ras delegation to chant psalms
and give praise unto H.I.M. without interuption. so your
theory of H.I.M. refusing worship has flopped,
sorry. |
Selassie may not have forcibly stopped them,
but he did tell people not
to worship him. That is not a "theory," it is a direct quote from
his majesty: "I am a man, and man cannot worship
man."
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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but dose men did worship H.I.M.
as a man, regardless of what ones now
say.
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"being 2nd advent Christian and feeling
deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing masked as true
Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile Selassie I on ones
but to stay eternally cognizant dat salvation is summed up in love
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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in His first advent was Christ
omnipotent?
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"being 2nd advent Christian and
feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing masked as true
Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile Selassie I on ones
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| JonaGus wrote: |
| Makheru8
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| JonaGus
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The same may be said of many
monarchs in history. A good example is Tsar
Nicholas II: he was an extremely devout Christian
and great family man, but definitely not cut out
for politics and the
monarchy. |
Jonagus: you imply that Haile
Selassie was not a fit ruler and king -- is that honor
or respect? |
Actually, I said that Tsar Nicholas of Russia was
a better family man than he was a ruler, and that many people
still regard him as a
great and even holy man --even as a saint and a
martyr! Someone else said Selassie made bad
mistakes in his rule.
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| The Lion of Zion is purely
AFRICAN |
"Zion" was the name given to a Jebusite
fortress near modern-day
Jerusalem that was conquered by David (2Samuel 5). It
was located on a hill in southeastern Jerusalem called Mount
Zion. (This hill is now the site of David's Tomb & the
Church of the Dormition) In David's time, Zion was a section
of Jerusalem. After his death, it came to refer to the Temple
mount of Jerusalem, i.e. Solomon's Temple and its grounds.
Over time it referred to all the high land of Jerusalem. Among
people in the Jewish diaspora, much later, it came to refer to
the whole promised land of Israel.
The Lion has always
been a symbol of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:8-12), whence
the kings come. Zion is part of the land belonging to Judah.
On what grounds could you possibly assert that this is
"purely African"? It's in Israel, brother, and it's
Jewish. |
Sometimes what we intend to communicate and
what is said are two different things.Above you created an analogy
between Selassie I and Nicholi, and in saying that the qualities and
traits that Selassie I had were similar to those of 'many other
leaders' specifically Nicholi whom you then say "is not fit for
politics or a monarchy" you draw attach those same attributes to
Selassie I (or maybe it is I who read incorrectly)-- you then
attempt to justify it by saying "other people said he made
mistakes". This is why this is disrespectful to me, HIM worked him
whole life to mordernize and improve Ethiopia -- and you say he was
a leader who was not cut out for monarchy? If ones "honor and
respect" Him, would not they also honor and respect what HIM devoted
him life to?
I'll try and explain this lion thing a different
way because the hare didn't communicate the reasoning. What lions
are in Israel/Judah? Hatshesput imported Lions from Punt (Ethiopia),
that was in 1400 "bc", Israel nor Judah were yet nations.. I only
add this to indicate that the animals were likely not living in the
area at the time Judaism began. Abraham walked from the west . For a
people to have adapted an animal symbol such as the Lion -- they
would have had to have intimate expierence with the animal in order
to overstand it as a symbol and further ascribe it to represent a
concept. This is how I reached the conclusion that the Lion
symbolism is African: Lions are found in Africa... For some time
North Africa has been an arid region, if Hatshepsut imported her
lions from Punt, there were none in Kmt or the surrounding area at
this time. As Abraham did not started his journey near Persia he was
far removed from African wildlife. Jonagus -- I have no problem
admitting that Rastafari has grown from Christianity and Judaism --
but you must admit that Judaism nor Christianity represent "source"
material or rather root material -- they too are derived religions.
With that in mind oui directed you toward Apedemak the Sudani Lion
Ntr. He embodied both the creative and destructive power of light.
Also Apedemak was three-headed evoking the concept of the
trinity(this is a unique representation for a Ntr) Apedemak's
following rose with the Nubian Kings of the twenty fifth dynasty.
The twenty fifth dynasty are from the same line of Menelik I the
same as Selassie I, Shabaka and Taharqa(piankhi) -- Tsawi Terhak
Warada(13) were brothers -- the Solomonic line. As the septugenuit
(sp) was compiled in Alexandria during the rule of the
Ptolemies(many centuries later) -- it is difficult to conclude that
these Sudani ideas did not find themselves intertwined into Judaism.
My only point is... HIM is who him say HIM is, and to calrify what
it is we call honor and respect -- but I guess those are terms that
are different for each -- because those comments above show neither
honor nor respect.
Jah Bless
Mac
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