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JonaGus
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| perfectloveinH.I.M.
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| in His first advent was Christ
omnipotent? |
God the Son is always
omnipotent.
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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warthog
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jonagus
We believe Y'shua is God, not the Father. There
is no contradiction between these two beliefs.
IN MY
OPINION TO KILL MOST OF THIS MANMADE "CONTRADICTING' CONFUSION I
KEEP MY SPIRITUAL QUOTE THAT STATES ANY WICKED MAN IS A DEVIL IN
FLESH, ANY RIGHTEOUS MAN IS JAH IN FLESH  | |
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JonaGus
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| Makheru8 wrote: |
| Above you created an analogy between Selassie
I and Nicholi, and in saying that the qualities and traits
that Selassie I had were similar to those of 'many other
leaders' specifically Nicholi whom you then say "is not fit
for politics or a monarchy" you draw attach those same
attributes to Selassie I (or maybe it is I who read
incorrectly) |
Someone else said Selassie made mistakes. I'm
not saying he did or he didn't. I'm saying that it wouldn't matter
if he did: that it is possible to make mistakes as a monarch and
still be regarded a great man. I see no disrespect in it. If you
want to read disrespect into it, that just means you don't know me
very well.
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| you then attempt to justify it by saying
"other people said he made mistakes". |
Read the posts yourself. Jah Pickney said it,
not I.
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| HIM worked him whole life to mordernize and
improve Ethiopia |
I know. It is a very admirable goal.
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| and you say he was a leader who was not cut
out for monarchy? |
No, I said Tsar Nicholas II was not. But even
if ones claim Selassie made mistakes, it does not mean he was not a
very great man.
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| What lions are in Israel/Judah? ...the animals
were likely not living in the area at the time Judaism
began. |
There
were lions in the land and surrounding areas in ancient times. C.f.
Judges 14, 1Sam 17, 1Kings 13, 2Kings 17, etc. "In early historic
times lions ranged over Eurasia from E Europe to India and over all
of Africa." Now they are endangered.
San Diego zoo on range of Asian lions
Columbia Encyclopedia on historic range of lions
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| Jonagus -- I have no problem admitting that
Rastafari has grown from Christianity and Judaism -- but you
must admit that Judaism nor Christianity represent "source"
material or rather root material -- they too are derived
religions. |
Elements from many cultures have been adopted
into Judaism and Christianity. I do not deny that at all. It is the
nature of these religions to seek out the good in every culture and
incorporate it. And I don't have any complaints about Rastas
incorporating and using Jewish and Christian imagery, either, so
long as they don't claim it is exclusively their own and deny Jews
& Christians their use.
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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warthog
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JONAGUS
& I TAKE IT
FROM YESHUAHS WORD, IF YOU LIVE RIGHTEOUS UNTO JAH HEEDING THE WORDS
& EXAMPLES THAT YESHUAH BROUGHT FORTH, THEN YOU WILL BE FOUND
WORTHY TO BE CALLED A SON OF JAH.
REMEMBER ALSO YESHUAH
SAYING THAT IF YOU BELIEF IN HIM, THEN YOU HAVE BELIEVED IN THE
PERSON WHO SEND HIM. ''IF YOU BELIEF IN THE MESSENGER, THEN YOU HAVE
BELIEVED IN HIS MASTER???"
"I SAY
MOST OF EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT YESHUAH & HIS FATHER IS JUST
MANMADE CREATING MORE CONFUSION THAN THERE ALREADY IS"
BLESS!! | |
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 14 Oct 2004
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| Makheru8 wrote: |
| Jonagus, and Irie -- just curious, would it
offend you if the coming son(Iu Se[a]) were
Black? |
Would I
be offended if Y'shua is black? Are you kidding? My home is
decorated with black images of Y'shua!
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| It seems their is a resentment of all things
African -- African Symbols, African People, African
kings. |
*LOL*
Obviously you've never been to my website,
brother.
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 14 Oct 2004
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| 12TribesLion wrote: |
| I know what ones have assumed here believing
that Rastafari stole these symbols from Jews and
Christians. |
Derivation is NOT theft!
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| these are African symbols not European
ones. |
Christianity is NOT
European!
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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JonaGus
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| warthog wrote: |
| "I SAY MOST OF EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT YESHUAH
& HIS FATHER IS JUST MANMADE CREATING MORE CONFUSION THAN
THERE ALREADY IS" |
You can believe whatever you will. I follow
the apostolic doctrines of Y'shua HaMashiach, handed down to us from
his disciples in the first centuries. I profess the same Trinity
that his imperial majesty Haile Selassie professed, which the
Ethiopian Orthodox Church always professes. I believe that Y'shua
HaMashiach is our Lord God and Creator, just as Selassie did, just
as the Ethiopian Orthodox Church always has. This is the same faith
Selassie proclaimed and told Christians to share throughout the
world. Numerous Africans and other Christians gave their lives to
defend the Christian doctrine of the incarnation of the Son of God.
I will never recant it.
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Do you remember when they crucified the Christ?
There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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warthog
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jonagus
 OR LETS JUST SAY OUR
LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THE YESHUAH
& H.I.M.'s WORDs IS WHAT CAUSES CONFUSION????? | |
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