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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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blessed love to all,
to
respond to deh bredren JonaGus, whom Ini will say publicly is
revealing an angle of reason which Ini have great raspect for, Ini
think one thing was omitted. in numbers chapter 6, (Ini does not
have an I-ble handy) JonaGus started off with verse 13, if Ini am
not mistaken, the prerequisite for all of these requirements was if
a nazarite came into contact wid a dead body. if Ini am wrong,
excuse I but that is Ini overstanding from now.
Secondly, deh
two most popular nazarites, Yohn deh baptist & Samson were
nazarite from birth and for life, which gives further credibility to
deh nazarite vow being for life, unless a one violated it by coming
into contact wid a dead body. deh Rasta saying of "whyuh grow yuh
dread fi cut yuh dread" meks perfect sense to Ini, espicially when
one looks at deh whole of deh nazarite vow. again if Ini am
incorrect in Ini application and division of deh Word excuse I to
all offended.
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Regis_sounds
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Not many of today can even
compare rasta with nazarite.Wat is the purpose of the vow?I know if
u take any part with grape or wine or anything down that line that
de vow is broken.Honestly answer me how many rastas today eat grapes
on a regular basis or have taken a lil alcohol in their lives?Well
if they have i would have dem not consider even using the nazarites
to justify certain things cause clearly they are not
nazarites
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JonaGus
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| Posted: 15 Sep 2004
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| perfectloveinH.I.M.
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| in numbers chapter 6, (Ini does not have an
I-ble handy) JonaGus started off with verse 13, if Ini am not
mistaken, the prerequisite for all of these requirements was
if a nazarite came into contact wid a dead body. if Ini am
wrong, excuse I |
No, verses 6-12 concern contact with a dead
body. If the Nazirite has contact with a dead body during the time
of his vow, the consecration is voided and unsuccessful. But verses
13-20 deal with the successful completion of the vowed period. When
the vowed time is successfully completed, the consecrated hair is
shaved off and burned as an offering.
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| Secondly, deh two most popular nazarites, Yohn
deh baptist & Samson were nazarite from birth and for
life |
Samson
was consecrated from birth, I agree, but his case is certainly
exceptional and not the norm described in Numbers 6. It may be that
some people chose a lifetime consecration, but if you believe that
others did it, some biblical evidence is probably in
order.
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Regis_sounds
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Sabbath is a whole different
topic.I believe that it was a covanent between god and isreal,and
not all nations.One of many reasons why i say that is in ex 20 10
where it says at the end nor thy stranger that is within thy
gates,this shows that if it were for all nations they would no need
to say within thy gates this shows it only applied to isreal and who
concerned them,ok another is ex 31 17 that speaks clearly for
itself.As i said this is a completely new topic so i wont say
anymore
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Regis_sounds
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this is in reply to ras
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warthog
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regis_sound
Your right! We
rastas are not nazarites, they practised a few things we rastas now
do e.g vegeterianism/ growing locks..... we are a new spiritual revelation hailing
up JAH MIGHTY NAME! your also right by telling others not to
use the nazarites to justify rastafari, WE STAND ALONE WITH JAH & FIRM!
 
gedamawe
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Ras B
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| Posted: 16 Sep 2004
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If you read Numbers 6:1-21 carefully, you will
find that the Nazarite vow was a temporary special
consecration. And yes, the Bible does say that that when the
time of the vow is completed the participant's head should be
shaved:
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never denied that. i said that the point is not the shaving part.
the point, pennicle and purpose of being a nazirite is the time of
consecration not the ending of the vow.
on top of samson,
prophet samuel and john the baptist were life time nazirites, so the
length depnds on the person and what Jah have for them. I vow is for
life, other may only be a season | |
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JonaGus
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| Ras B wrote: |
| i said that the point is not the shaving part.
the point, pennicle and purpose of being a nazirite is the
time of consecration not the ending of the
vow. |
Personally, I think that is debatable. The
offering of the shaved hair in the fire seems significant in the
normal practice described in Numbers 6.
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| on top of samson, prophet samuel and john the
baptist were life time nazirites |
I agree that Samson was a lifelong Nazirite!
It was clearly exceptional, and not the norm which is guided by
Numbers 6.
I have also asked for substantial biblical
evidence that Samuel and John the Baptist were lifelong Nazirites.
Do you have some you could share with
us?
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