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blaminack
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This verse comes to mind in
regards to Samuel....
1Sa 1:11 And she vowed a vow, and
said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of
thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but
wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto
the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come
upon his head. | |
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Ras B
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thank you Blaminck that saved my
from looking cause i wasnt sure where that was.
i love the
mental picuture of samuel, he lived a long time he must have had a
serious dread. he probably had to have a donkey when he traveled
just to carry his dread. hehehe | |
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Ras B
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| The offering of the shaved hair in the fire
seems significant in the normal practice described in Numbers
6. |
interesting
Jonagus, so you think that the burning of his dread was more
siginficant than the tasks and works he performed in his state of
consecration?
i cant see that at all.
so that means
that samuel, john and samson and whoever else may be in that
catagory had no real significance where their vow is concerned cause
they never ended it and burned they dread?
here is the
evidence of John the baptist being a nazirite;
luke 1:15 For
he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither
wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb. | |
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boomfire
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first i will respond to ras b's
comment when i stated that dreads are nothing more than a
hairstyle..... now let me be clear on what i meant ... dreads can
mean whatever that want to the individual , but in GODS eyes dreads are nothing more than a hairstyle
after jesus came and died on the cross, for jesus is the only path
to righteous and the belief in JESUS CHRIST alone is the only
way to obtain righteousness....so hairstyles , vows and so forth do
not add to this righteousness, remember only faith in Jesus alone
accounts for anything....... in response to ras b's statement about
the vow your very own words were
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| oh really? i am curious where that info. is
found because the bible doesnt say that. i thought the whole
point of the vow was to be specially conescrated during the
time of the vow. | so
there your own words are making the
accusation that this is not in the bible...... whether or not
samuel was "never to shave his head all the days of his life" has
nothing to do with a normal person in old testament times, taking
the nazirean vow. for samuel and samson were specially ordered by
GOd to go thru that extreme...... once again let us go over the
exact content of the vow , verse 19 "
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| And the priest shall take the boiled shoulder
of the ram, one unleavened cake from the basket, and one
unleavened wafer, and put them upon the hands of the Nazirite
after he has shaved his consecrated
hair, | ...... after
that he may drink wine ....... now if you read this carefully you
will see that the vow wasnt even completed untill the nazirite
shaved his head and the boiled ram was put in his hands .... so
therefore the completion of the nazirite vow was when the priest put
the meat and food in the hands of the nazirite , and that could
happen only after he shaved his
head -boomfire | |
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boomfire
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| lets not forget everyone , it is
possible to have long hair without having dreads..... there is no
evidence in the description of the vow that the hair was to be
dreaded, it just says it is not to be cut until the vow is
completed...... | |
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JonaGus
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| The offering of the shaved hair in the
fire seems significant in the normal practice described
in Numbers 6. |
interesting Jonagus, so you think that the
burning of his dread was more siginficant than the tasks and
works he performed in his state of
consecration? |
No, I see it as a whole: the growing, the
shaving, the burning. The burning is made significant by the growing
and the growing by the burning. The whole is an offering.
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| so that means that samuel, john and samson and
whoever else may be in that catagory had no real significance
where their vow is concerned cause they never ended it and
burned they dread? |
I did not say that at all. I said they were
exceptional cases and not normative. God had different plans for
them than for other people, who followed the rule of the Nazirite
given in Numbers 6. So exceptional were God's plans that they were
explcitly revealed to their parents!
Thanks for the passage
on John. And thanks, Blaminack, for the one on Samuel.
Now a
good question is "Where does the Nazirite offer his sacrifice after
70 A.D.?"
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There was someone on the left and someone on the right. They were
both thieves! It's the same for ideologies. —Berhane
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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boomfire,
1. is deh I
dread?
2. have deh I ever been dread?
3. have deh I
ever seen a homeless person wid dreads, because if deh I has, den
deh I will know dat dem don't have dem for vanity nor did deh do
anything fi mek dem dread, it is jes I-ration.
4. depending
upon deh person's melanin levels and heritage truthfully nothing has
to be done except abstain from deh cutting of deh locks. case in
point is deh Honorable Robert Nesta Marley, who did not even twist
his hair but let I-ration tek over.
in Ini overall view, dis
bald head and bald face culture is a specifically roman thing that
persists to this very day globally. deh whole world is scared of
long hair and more specifically facial hair, so if "saints" are in
deh world but not of deh world, how can one choose to look as deh
world?
Jonagus,
dere is not explicit scripture dat
definitely define Yohn deh Baptist as a life long unshaven man but
for some reason dis is deh overall concensus at least in deh
organized churches because of the fact that he came straight of deh
wilderness and not too long after was murdered depending upon deh
gospel.
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"being 2nd advent Christian and
feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing masked as true
Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile Selassie I on ones
but to stay eternally cognizant dat salvation is summed up in love
for I-manity. | |
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perfectloveinH.I.M.
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JonaGus,
Ini would say dat,
dat part of deh vow is null and void since Christ has come because
it involves blood, since He was supposed to be deh last blood
sacrifice period.
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"being 2nd advent
Christian and feeling deh persecution of wolves in sheep's clothing
masked as true Christians, Ini don't feel de need fi force Haile
Selassie I on ones but to stay eternally cognizant dat salvation is
summed up in love for I-manity. | |
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