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Mark Mohr's Response The The
Essay With Footnotes |
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In a lenghty articly, Christafari
Founder Mark Mohr responded to the book
Christafarianism. Here you can find the complete text
with added footnotes. This is not the follow-up for this
essay, but an analysis of this Response.
As you will see, the Book
Christafarianism has caused Mark Mohr to change his
definiton of Rastafari. For him, a Rasta is now either a
"Selassie Worshipper" or a Deceiver. You will
see Mark Mohr giving an "political correct apologie"
to the Deceivers for "lumping them into the
Selassie Worshippers category.
You will see him boldly announcing how
he perpetuates his personal use of Rastafarian and
Christian elements in order to further his aim of
"plugging the gap in the industry".
You will see him prefering a babylonian term
over a Biblical NAME when speaking about the Most High.
You will see how he claims that he
"makes christians", which he presents as
"fruits of my efforts". Mohr says his efforts
have to be seen as seperate from JAH works, and even
even claims that JAH reaps "the fruits of my
efforts" where the Bible says it is all JAH works.
The response also contains a set of
blatant lies which in itself explain the reason why he
doesn't provide one single quote or referance to back up
his many false claims.
Mark Mohr exposes how he has two
different gospels to preach. And how if you critisize
one gospel he's hiding behind the other in a very clever
way.
The response reveals the mind-set of
Mark Mohr, which is explained and analysed with links to
academic studies that back this up. A mind-set that has
no problem in using Rastafarian symbology and Christian
principals, only to transform it's meaning into a
marketing technology. Not even when these symbologies
and expressions are admittedly not
"unbiblical". Mark Mohr still has to change
the meaning of Rastafarian symbology in order to serve
his aims.
You will also see how Mark Mohr accuses
Messian Dread of illegal use of copywritten material,
where Christafari has stolen at least one Dubroom Review
and illegally put it on the Christafari Website without
asking permission.
You will see how Christafari has changed
that review into a piece which says to forget about
"the ever enigmatic Yabby You and Messian Dread,
because here is a True Christian Roots
Artist."
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Mark Mohr's Response The The
Essay With Footnotes 1 |
| Mark
Mohr's Response to "The Essay" |
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| Messian
Dread's footnotes to "Mark Mohr's
Response" |
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| As
I am writing this post, I am both wounded
and frustrated by a senseless feud between
the veteran accuser and myself. Since 1986
this individual has been contentious against
Christafari and our core listeners in reggae
forums and even more recently in the forum
at lionofzion.com. |
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| As
the reply contains a lot of
misrepresentation of facts, the innocent
typo in the introduction is only a funny
illustration to which I simply draw some
innocent attention.
Because in the year 1986 Mark Mohr was
still in his own words, a "Rasta".
He means to say the year 1996.
What Mark Mohr wants to say, is
that he and I are having contact since that
time. initially, he asked for my help
because of the trouble he was in, and I
tried to help him out.
The "feud" came later,
after I began to criticize Mark Mohr for
spreading false information about Rastafari
and not rectifying it in public. |
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MORE
ON THE SUBJECT |
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| My
face-to-face meeting in the UK, recent forum
discussions and last Q and A interview with
him seemed amicable, so you can imagine how
surprised I was to find that for the last
few years, he has simply been gathering
ammunition for his longest ranting of all.
Even worse, he has been "baiting"
our listeners and my pastor in his
undercover reasoning sessions. Now that his
true intentions have come to light I am
appalled! |
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| Let
me complete the list of "contacts"
a little.
I have repeatedly try to address my
concerns in private in the period
1997-2001.
Then I wrote my article, and he asked me
-again- not to go public but wait until he
would publicly acknowledge what he now
finally does in this response.
I have waited from 2001 to 2004 for this
and then I went public. A few days later:
there was the public acknowledgement.
I tried to keep my cool and stay humble,
waiting for this...
In the beginning, back in 1997, he
replied with mails such as that I, "as
fan", should be happy to receive an
email from a "star" (really).
Later he called me a "prominent in
Christian Reggae" in another attempt to
keep me from going public with my concerns.
I have tried to address my concerns in a
face to face meeting with him, but further
then an -indeed- amicable vibe and some
private exchange of things I couldn't get.
In short, I have found a closed door
whenever I tried to address my concerns with
Christafari in private from 1997 until 2004.
Then I decided I really had to go public
with my concerns or wait until I'm dead.
Mark Mohr has been aware of my concerns
since 1997. He acknowledges some of them in
private from 2001 and on. They are no
surprise to him.
I did not have an undercover reasoning. I
simply asked Bob Beeman about the connection
between sanctuary and lion of Zion. I even
gave Bob Beeman the quote in my article and
asked him to confirm what I wrote.
So yes, I have done research and asked
people questions. I wanted my essay to be as
documented as possible.
If I would not do research, the response
would be that I had no proof of my thesis.
But now I have, and not a single time
does he respond to even one of them in his
whole Response. |
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MORE
ON THE SUBJECT |
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| I
object to his constant misuse of quotes and
wish that if someone were going to
wrongfully quote copy-written material, they
would at least get the context right. Given
this, I ask that he not quote any of this
post in any of his writings on his website
unless he publishes it in its entirety so as
to avoid any further misconceptions. Now I
would like to address some of the issues
that he has brought up. |
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| I
always provide links and where necessary the
original material so people can check out
for themselves if I actually quote something
in or out of context.
The laws concerning copyright clearly
give permission for using material to
review, research or criticize. Even
unpublished material can be used legally.
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MORE
ON THE SUBJECT |
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Misuse of copy-written material would be,
for example, to place a Dubroom review on
the Lion of Zion website without permission
to sell a CD.
Which is a thing Lion of Zion has
actually done. |
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| CHRISTAFARIANS
AND CHRISTAFARIANISM:
First off, I am sorry that he has grossly
misunderstood our use of the word
"Christafarian". It is not a
belief system or sect of faith. The word has
only personally been used a few times to my
knowledge. First, it was the original name
of my band Christafari. Second, it has been
used in past Lion of Zion updates in
reference to our listeners. It was never
used to describe a certain belief system.
When I think of the term
"Christafarian," I think about a
supporter or admirer of our music. Not a
convert that has been conformed to my ways. |
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| Mark
Mohr is not "a musician with a band and
fans" only.
His biography is called "Meet Pastor
Mark" for years. I'm sure he's gonna
change that now, but it doesn't take away
the fact.
Further in his article he also says how
he wants to make converts out of his
listeners. He "ministers" to them
and provides lists with numbers of
"saved souls".
He writes doctrinal statements and
articles while he constantly refers to his
works as a "ministry" and
teachings.
In private correspondence he even
referred to his wife as a "his most
important ministry".
He considers himself to be a spiritual
example for others, as he repeatedly states
in various articles.
When he was having a divorce and people
criticized him for having that, they pointed
out to the very same fact. They stressed
that Mark Mohr is considered a teacher by
many people. Mark Mohr acknowledged that and
listed his phone number. Everyone could ask
him everything about his divorce because of
"accountability".
It is clear, that Mark Mohr does not
consider his listeners just that, listeners
to his music. And his listeners, whom he
called Christafarians, look up to him as a
teacher. |
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| The
most recent use of this name was found in a
question asked in a recent interview that
was posted on www.christafari.com. I was
asked, "Why do you feel so many people
get hooked into CHRISTAFARIANISM?" |
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| I
notice how Mohr seamlessly goes over from
describing Christafarians into describing
Christafarianism. So I can assume
Christafarians are adherents of
Christafarianism. |
| Christafari
is a word play on Rastafari. Mark Mohr
denies this and says it means community of
Christ.
Okay...
Members of this "community of
Christ" are Christafarians. But I
shouldn't compare them with members of the
community of Christ, of which he is a
pastor.
For then he says, a Christafarian is not
a member of the community of Christ. Kind of
confusing, but I'm not the one who authors
this confusion.
It's another hole in the facade... |
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| My
answer was simple:
"Our music is original and unlike
anything out there in the Christian
industry. This unique roots sound cannot be
replaced by the latest industry manufactured
pop sensation that is on the cover of CCM.
We have created our own culture within our
fan base. And these fans are diehard. We may
not have a huge crowd every night when we
are out on tour, but the ones that come
truly understand what we are trying to
accomplish and often drive as far as 5
states away just to fellowship with us and
praise God through reggae music." |
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| As
you can see, Mark Mohr says I
misinterpretate "Christafarian"
and says the latest use was in the quote you
see left. I don't see the word
Christafarian, I do see the word
Christafarianism in the question (previous
paragraph).
I also see an admittance that
Christafari's work is published in what he
calls the "Christian
Industry".
I see Mark Mohr defining Christafarianism
literally as "our own culture which we
created within our fan base".
Then I see how he proposes this culture
as an alternative to what he calls "the
latest industry manufactured pop sensation
that is on the cover of CCM".
He describes this culture as
"fellowshipping and praising God"
which seems like something completely
different then just a band with some fans.
Especially not when you know that
Christafari claims, that Mark Mohr is
"chosen by God to be a leader like
Moses and David to plug the gap in the
Industry". Literally. |
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do you feel God chose
you to plug this gap in Christian music?
(...) this is how
God works, (...) once
again, this is how God works. (...) he
chose me (...) this
is how he chooses leaders; from Moses (...)
to King David (...) |
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| So
where he presents his "ministry"
as only a band with fans when I criticize
this ministry, he presents it as a
"ministry" when he talks to the
Christafarians. Proof of that and it is
right there on the Christafari website. |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
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SEARCH
GOOGLE FOR MORE |
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| As
you can see, the above question was not
referring to a cult that I have
started--heaven forbid. I am simply
referring to those who love our music. As I
am being accused of starting some dangerous
brew of Babylon Christianity, I now realize
that I should have corrected this Brazilian
interviewer, stating that I represent
"Christafari," a band, not
"Christafarianism," a religious
movement. For though I am an ordained
pastor, (a title that I very rarely use to
describe myself, and one that I never use to
lord myself over others), for years I have
tried to make it crystal clear where we
stand; I am a born again, baptized, gospel
preaching Christian. |
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| He
might say that he should have said the
journalist that his band was only a band,
but in fact he is just repeating the same
argument which I commented on in the
previous paragraphs.
And yes, he might say now that he did not
start a "cult", but I have never
suggested this in the first place.
I do however remind Mark Mohr to the fact
that he says Christafarians are members of
"the culture we created with our fan
base".
I point out to the fact that he also uses
the word "cult" and
"culture" interchangeably in his
many descriptions of what he calls
"Rastafarianism".
And actually, I am only mentioning it,
not even draw a conclusion from it.
Another word he uses interchangeably is
"gospel". But there are two
completely opposing definitions of the word
"gospel".
The Message of Salvation to sinners is
one.
A music genre in the Christian Industrial
Complex or CCM is another.
He "preaches the gospel", but
he also has a "gospel reggae"
band.
When I criticize the preaching of the
"first gospel" aspect, his reply
can be summarized as "just a band with
just a fan base", a reference to the
second definition.
With that he admits, between the lines,
how his band and music should only be seen
as such: a band with music. That is the
other gospel.
I'm not making it that difficult, but I
do think the necessity for a research center
with a group of researchers and analysts is
quite obvious. |
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| It
is not my desire, nor has it ever to make
little Christafarians, out of our fan-base.
I simply want to see more people become
Christians. In fact, I have always been
against starting another Christian
denomination of believers (even at the
Gathering, a church that I helped plant). As
believers, we are all a part of the
universal body of Christ. We need more unity
not division, a lesson that my accuser
should consider prayerfully. |
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| Now
he changes to the first definition of
"gospel".
We have already seen how he says that he
created a culture in the industry containing
"Christafarians", he quoted it
himself in his answer to describe who HE
means are the Christafarians. They are
members of "Christafarianism" in
his own admittance.
Christafari's live agenda is a list of
concerts at evangelizing projects from local
churches from many different
denominations.
But Mark Mohr, as a pastor, "plants
churches" as well. There he teaches
lessons about the Christian Industry |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| and
other subjects. His "ministry" is
a weird mix-up of "the two
gospels" which is in the same time his
defense mechanism. Be criticized for one
"gospel", hide behind the other. |
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also notice that here he starts calling me
"divisive". Later on I will
elaborate on that aspect. |
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| They
will know that we are Christians by our
love, not our debates or senseless arguments
over superficial issues in the public's eye.
You want to know my intentions? I will make
them very clear. It is my wish to see our
listeners (and all who have ears to hear)
come in agreement with the Holy Scriptures
as outlined in the Nicene Creed and as I
have described in our teaching statement. |
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| This
is a description of preaching the first
gospel.
However, this very same person also
states: "God Chose Me To Plug The Gap
In The Industry With The Culture We Created
With Our Fan Base Called
Christafarianism".
I also quickly note that Mark Mohr calls
the Bible and the Nicene Creed as well as
his own "teaching
statement".
His own teachings I will fully criticize
later on. |
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| To
satisfy your curiosity, I have posted our
doctrinal statement below so that you can
see what we stand for. This writing is also
found in the recently updated FAQ section of
lionofzion.com: |
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| OUR
DOCTRINE:
WE TEACH that there is one God, eternally
existing in three persons: Father, Son, and
Holy Spirit. (Genesis 1:1,26; Matthew 28:19;
John 1:1-3, 4:24; Acts 5:3-4; Romans 1:20; 2
Corinthians 13:14; Ephesians 4:5-6) |
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TEACH that Jesus Christ was conceived by the
Holy Spirit, and born of the Virgin Mary,
and is fully God and fully man. (Matthew
1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38; Romans 9:5; Titus
2:13) |
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TEACH that the Bible is the complete,
inspired Word of God, without error in its
original manuscripts. The Bible is our
supreme and final authority in faith and
life. (Isaiah 40:8; Matthew 5:18, 24:35; 2
Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 4:12; 2 Peter 1:20-21) |
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TEACH that man was created in the image of
God, that he sinned and thereby incurred not
only physical death but also spiritual death
which is separation from God, and that all
human beings are born with a sinful nature,
and become guilty sinners in thought, word
and deed. (Genesis 1:26-27; 3:1-24; Romans
3:25, 5:12-18; 1 John 1: |
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believe that too... Although I don't believe
that man has an eternal soul. I believe Jah
gives souls eternal life as a gift. |
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TEACH that the Lord Jesus died for our sins
according to the Scriptures as a
representative and substitutionary
sacrifice; that He bodily rose victorious
from the grave on the third day; and that
all who believe in Him are justified on the
basis of His shed blood. (Matthew 20:28,
28:6; John 3:16; Romans 3:24-26, 5:1, 10:9;
1 Corinthians 15:3, 14;2 Corinthians 5:21;
Ephesians 1:7; 1 John 2:2) |
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TEACH the personal and imminent return of
our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 1:11; 1
Thessalonians 4:16-17) |
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TEACH that all who come by grace through
faith to accept the Lord Jesus Christ are
born again of the Holy Spirit and thereby
become children of God forever. (John
1:12-13, 3:3-5; Ephesians 2:8-9; James 1:18;
1 Peter 1:23) WE TEACH that while without
faith it is impossible to please God, the
possession of faith does not ensure health
or prosperity. (Luke 9:22-27; 2 Corinthians
11:23-31, 12:7-10; Philippians 1:29-30; 2
Timothy 3:8-12; Hebrew 11:6, 32-40) |
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TEACH the bodily resurrection of the just
and unjust, the everlasting joy of the saved
and the everlasting conscious punishment of
the lost. (Matthew 25:31-46; John 5:28-29; 1
Corinthians 15:12-57; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Revelation 20:4-6, 11-15) |
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TEACH that all Christians are baptized by
the Holy Spirit and permanently indwelt by
Him at the point of salvation. The filling
of the Holy Spirit is meant to be a
continuous experience for the believer
through submission to His controlling
authority and power. (John 14:16, 15:5;
Romans 6:3-5, 8:9-11; 1 Corinthians 12:13;
Ephesians 5:15-21) |
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TEACH that the body of Christ, the church,
is composed of interdependent members who
are born again, each having received from
the Holy Spirit gifts which are to be
exercised for the building up of the whole
body. No one gift is given to all believers
nor indicates regeneration, filling, or
baptism with the Holy Spirit. (Romans
12:4-8; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13; Ephesians
2:14-20, 4:4-16) |
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TEACH baptism (by submersion in water) in
the name of the Father, the Son (Jesus) and
the Holy Spirit. Baptism is not necessary
for salvation. It is an outward
demonstration of the individual's inward
conviction and a matter of obedience to our
Lord. We teach that Christ commanded His
church to baptize believers as a
proclamation of their faith and
identification with Him and His church, and
to celebrate communion as a living memorial
of His redemptive death and as a reminder of
present fellowship with Christ and His body.
(Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 2:28-47, 8:36-40,
10:47, 18:8; Romans 6:3-5; 1 Corinthians
11:23-29) |
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| Again,
It is not my desire to make
"Christafarians," only Christians.
I challenge anyone that wishes to follow me
in this endeavor to follow Christ instead.
Let us work together side-by-side. I am
merely a humble saint that is challenged
daily by sin. I do not ever wish to lead
anyone astray. This is why I remain
accountable to local pastors such as Gwynn
Lewis and Ken Vroom. This is why I slave to
fill our lyrics and posts with Scripture and
give our listeners a decided direction in
their lives--towards God, not towards me. I
simply want to see people become lovers of
the Word of God. |
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| Now,
again. Almost seamlessly has he changed the
subject from being a band-leader with fans
to being a pastor.
Is it still so, that I can not criticize
some of Mohr's teachings without running
into the "band leader", but the
"band leader" turns out to be a
"pastor" who wants to make
"Christians" according to, among
other things, "his teachings".
So he keeps running in this circle of two
gospels. |
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| Many
of you reading this may wonder "who, or
what I am referring to?" Forgive me for
not going into details, but I refuse to draw
attention to such biblically unfounded
misstatements. This would add fuel to his
flame. |
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| I
find this a very cheap reason for the
refusal to quote me or debate me in public.
Mind you, he also didn't want to talk
about my concerns in private.
After all, everything is just a
"senseless argument" and
"debate".
In reality, Mark Mohr is aware that his
argumentation and thesis can never stand the
test of scrutiny. |
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| Others
understand what I am responding to and have
read the texts that have recently been
deleted from our forum. I am sure that it is
clear to you that when you read a writing
like this, you have to consider the subject
AND the source. My music, my doctrine, my
lyrics, the fruits of this ministry and my
life in Christ over the past 15 years reveal
the truth. Consistency speaks volumes and
the fruit does reveal the root. |
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| I
agree wholeheartedly with the statements,
that the fruits reveal the roots.
Fruits which are not necessarily good, as
Mark Mohr admits and apologizes for in this
very publication.
I also agree that it is impossible to
separate the "Pastor" from the
"Band leader".
But if that is so, you can't say that I
should make this separation in my critique! |
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| CAN
A RASTA BE A CHRISTIAN?
In short--"yes". I do
acknowledge that there are certain self
proclaimed Rastas that deny the divinity of
Haile Selassie and believe that Jesus is
Lord. I praise God for these brothers in the
Lord that have seen the truth. So yes, some
rastas may be Christians and some Christians
do consider themselves rastas. On this point
we can agree and I apologize for lumping all
Rastafarians into the category of
"Selassie Worshipers" in the past.
Yet this concession comes nowhere close to
justifying this person's slander. |
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This is not a recently discovered
in-sight and the fact that he knows he
should apologize in public for it, is also
not new to him.
In fact, it's almost since ancient
times...
The mere publication of my concerns have
brought him to fulfill the promise he made
seven years ago.
He calls it a "concession".
How can acknowledging a fact be labeled
as a concession?
A concession to what, and from what?
Not a concession, but a confession would
be it it's place, right there on the left
hand side.
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| While
the most common description of a Rasta is
"someone who worships Haile Selassie
(Ras Tafari) as Lord," there are
various houses of Rastafari, and many even
conflict with each other in doctrine. For 14
years I went on mission trips to Jamaica and
never met one "Rasta" that
denounced the divinity of Haile Selassie.
Given my personal experiences, for a very
long time I used the general term
"Rasta" to describe such a person.
But I realize now that there is also a
growing fringe of Rasta believers that deny
the divinity of Haile Selassie and worship
Jesus Christ alone. So to assume that all
Rastas are not saved could be wrong and such
a judgment is unfair. Please forgive me. |
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| Mark
Mohr told me personally that it was the
transcript of an interview with the Prophet
Gad of the 12 Tribes Of Israel Organization
which I transcribed and published with
authorization of Gadman, that introduced him
to the fact that there are different houses
of Rastafari and that there are many Rastas
who subscribe to the statements of the
prophet Gad.
This means, that he knows all of this for
many years but never acknowledged it in
public.
Are you being truthful when you first
admit facts in a response to a publication
where your denial of these facts is exposed?
There's another little aspect in this
paragraph. It seems to have totally passed
his attention, that there was, in his words,
"a growing fringe of Rasta believers
that deny the divinity of Haile Selassie and
worship Jesus Christ alone".
But wait a minute. Didn't he say to the
Christian Media that HE was the one who was
called by God to "achieve" that? I
just mention it... |
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| To
further clarify my stance regarding this, I
have modified the following FAQs and
replaced the word "Rastafarian"
with the now politically correct term
"Selassie worshippers". The
following FAQs now reflect these changes
among others: "What is the difference
between Rastafari and Christafari"?,
The reggae stigma, Red, yellow and green,
How to witness to a Rasta, How did you get
your calling?, What do we believe?, Bob
Marley, and Should Christians call
themselves "Rastas?". |
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| And
what does this apology mean, when it's
described with words like
"concession", and on your left
even as "political correct"?
I'll briefly quote from a study that
defines "political correctness".
Even more important: the mind- sets that
make people use political correct language.
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| At
its core, political correctness (...)
rejects the Judeo-Christian tradition and
its notion of revealed truth (...) |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| One
can laugh over quoting an academic analysis.
But think about it: why using the word
"political correct" unless you're
applying it?
Besides, the whole response of Mark's
article radiates what the academic
describes.
Mark Mohr calls his "apology" a
"political correct" one. This
means, he uses the idea of political
correctness in his way of thinking.
When he's not simply concealing an
unwillingness to acknowledge a fact, that
is.
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| However,
I still do not agree with a Christian
calling himself a "Rastafarian." I
personally view this as misleading and a
compromise of verses such as Psalm 16:4.
Though I love these brothers, I am in sharp
disagreement with such an approach. |
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| When
you go back to the analysis of
"political correctness", and you
may have thought that it was too much, think
again.
Here we see a practical application of
the post-modern way of thinking of which
political correctness is a part of.
Mark Mohr acknowledges, that Rastas can
be Christian. That means he doesn't have to
evangelize them. He doesn't have to teach to
stop being a Rasta in order to be saved.
Still he calls them deceivers and he
doesn't see the illogical reasoning behind
it. It's perfectly normal to call your
brother a deceiver and when one points you
out to that, you call that one
"divisive".
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| A
NEW START:
I love Rastafarians and I pray for them
often. I do not view them as racist or
hateful people, nor would I ever say such a
thing to the press. In the same way that
Selassie worshippers may want me to accept
the divinity of His Imperial Majesty, I long
for them to truly follow his teachings and
worship the TRUE CHRIST. In this vast
difference in views many toes have been
stepped on. For this I apologize. |
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| Another
proof that his "political correct
apology" has no real substance, is the
paragraph on the left.
As you can see, he still uses the words
"Rasta" and "Selassie
Worshippers" interchangeably.
And he perpetuates his own position as
being consciously anti-Rasta. Rasta is
"them", even when "they"
are Christians according to his own
definition given in this article.
Even though he admits the difference is
vast and the hurt is worth an apology, he
chooses to perpetuate ignoring the
difference and calls it "political
correct".
When your thinking doesn't lead you to
realizing this clear contradiction, your
action are post-modernism in practice. Just
look to the academic definition:
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| What
is being rejected is the hope that truth
exists. Not just that we might have
difficulty discerning truth, but that it is
not there to be discerned. |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| Mark
Mohr says: Yeah, sure, you can be a Rasta in
your born-again situation. I just happen to
think that you're a deceiver, even in your
born again situation. |
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| I
am also sorry for the overbearing zeal of
certain Christafari supporters in our forum.
Though I just recently entered the Rasta
Reasoning forum for the first time in a very
long while, I should have tried harder to
keep any individual from being disrespected
or maligned. This problem has prayerfully
been fixed and we look forward to seeing
this forum become a healthy environment of
respectful reasoning. |
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| When
you apologize for behavior of your
"supporters", then you feel
responsible for their behavior.
When you then apologize for not
"keeping" people from "doing
something", you're really not only a
band leader with fans.
I also like to add, that this
"problem" is absolutely not only
present on the Christafari forum. I wish it
were so.
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| In
addressing the problem head-on, I have
decided to start-a-new. I have cleaned out
all old posts in the Rasta Reasoning thread.
While some may be vexed at such a move,
others will applaud my actions. Some times
you must do some serious house cleaning to
get rid of germs. For those who have been
offended by Christafari listeners, these
offenses have been removed (and vice versa).
Let's start from scratch and behave like
honorable adults from now on. |
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| Of
course the deletion of the messages were to
prevent people from checking out what was
the case on the message board.
Or as he puts it, "For those who
have been offended by Christafari listeners,
these offenses have been removed (and
vice versa)."
In a phone conversation with Mark Mohr he
told me many times: "I want to fix this
problem now". I have answered him an
equal number of times that the problem was
already out there, leading it's life, making
it's problems.
Some problems can't be "fixed"
easily. This is one of them.
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Mark Mohr's Response The The
Essay With Footnotes 2 |
| Mark
Mohr's Response to "The Essay" |
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| Messian
Dread's footnotes to "Mark Mohr's
Response" |
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| ALL
THINGS TO ALL MEN:
You have often heard me quote
1Corinthians 9:19 "Though I am free and
belong to no man, I make myself a slave to
EVERYONE, to win as many as possible."
For me this "everyone" includes
reaching Selassie worshippers (those under
the Law). I have become all things to ALL
MEN so that by all possible means I might
save some (1 Cor 9:22). If you read the
context of this passage you can see that
Paul was referring to spiritual groups not
just cultural ones (i.e. those under the
law, those not under the law, the Jews,
etc..). |
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| Now
he moves on to Christafarianism itself. The
teachings of Christafari.
This is where we clearly step out of the
band and fan facade and step into the
doctrines.
This is Mark Mohr's "biblical"
explanation for his "evangelizing"
of "Selassie Worshippers", as he politically
correct puts it.
This is where he starts to change into
the Pastor. And when you try to have a
theological debate on that, his answer is
that he is only a band leader with a fan
base.
For an in-depth analysis of Mohr's
scriptural explanation for his way of
"spreading the gospel" (or
"plugging the gap"), see the book
"Christafarianism".
In short: he says that he goes to Rastas
dressed up as a Rasta without being a Rasta
because a Rasta would not listen to a man
with a suit and tie but only to someone who
also looks like them.
This is nonsense, because Marcus Garvey
was a Christian with a Suit And Tie and he
was very much accepted. It is also an insult
to state that Rastas would listen to someone
who looks like them only to show them that
they are wrong. They immediately recognize
this as a "wolf in sheep's clothing
method which it is".
Does he "smell competition"?
Given the fact that Christafarianism is in
itself a strange mix of Babylonian marketing
manipulation technology this is not a
totally irrelevant question.
Mark Mohr calls Rastas who he does not
have to evangelize and who might fit the
description he gives about himself much
better because they don't have to put up
some act "deceivers".
But who is the deceiver here?
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| Oh
yes, Mark Mohr points out that Paulus speaks
about "spiritual groups". Later on
it will become clear why he says so. For
now, please notice it. |
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| This
is why in the past I have used the name
"Jah," a term that is found in the
Bible, but most popular for its use by
Rastafarians… To reach Selassie
Worshippers. |
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| Rastas
call the Most High by His Biblical Name JAH.
They do so because everyone speaks about
"god", or even
"gods", but JAH is His NAME.
And He leads us for HIS NAME's SAKE, as the
Bible teaches us.
In the Bible, there's a huge difference
between a term and a Name. Especially when
we speak about the Name of the Most High!
The word "god" (his
preference) however, has no biblical roots.
It's a word from pagan tribes which can be
used for anything which is sacrificed
to.
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| The
word God is derived from the old
Teutonic form gudo which means that
which is invoked (or worshipped) by
sacrifice (cf. Oxford English
Universal Dictionary, art. God,
p. 808). This was adapted among the
Teutonic tribes in the variant forms. |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
God
can variously be defined as:
- the proper name of the one Supreme and
Infinite Personal Being, the Creator and
Ruler of the universe, to whom man owes
obedience and worship;
- the common or generic name of the
several supposed beings to whom, in
polytheistic religions, Divine
attributes are ascribed and Divine
worship rendered;
- the name sometimes applied to an idol
as the image or dwelling-place of a god.
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
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SEARCH
GOOGLE FOR MORE |
| I
notice, how Mark Mohr prefers to use a
babylonian "term" which can be
applied to almost anything but the Most
High* instead of the Biblical Name of the
Creator. |
| *=A
term with an European origin can of course
never be the Name of JAH, as the roman pope
wants us to believe in the quoted piece |
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| This
is why I often use the colors; red, yellow,
green and black. These colors that represent
Africa were given significance by the
honorable Marcus Mosiah Garvey (a Christian)
and then later adopted by Rastafarians. God
created these colors and I find nothing
wrong with wearing them in this sequence…
To reach Selassie Worshippers. |
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| The
reason why Rastas prefer the colors of red
gold and green is indeed because they point
to Africa.
But why Africa? This is a thing you never
hear Christafari about. They don't care.
They found a nice slogan to dressup like a
Rasta. That's all.
Why not Europe? After all, that's where
the term "god" comes from. The
so-called "Judeo Christian
Civilization".
Hmmm...
Rastas (and other conscious people such
as Yesus Dreads)
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WHAT
IS A YESUS DREAD |
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really "use" like Mark Mohr . They
speak a message. It is a way of
"Chanting Down Babylon". They're a
direct opposing of the Red White and Blue of
Babylon. A rejection of the system that
keeps people in bondage. |
| A
Jamaican poet explains it as such:
"African Order, to counteract the New
World Order, meaning Equal Rights And
Justice To All".
Regardless what your stance on Selassie
is or may be, the colors are to show BABYLON
that they will fall, not "Selassie
Worshippers" that they have to
"become like a Rasta" and speak
about "god".
Because this is exactly how most
Rastafarians and Yesus Dreads perceive
Christafari's message when they deeply check
it. |
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| This
is why I wear dreadlocks. Initially worn by
the likes of Sampson, Samuel, and John the
Baptist, this statement has presently become
the most common identifier of Rastafarians….
To reach Selassie Worshippers. |
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| Being
a dread is something completely different
than having dreadlocks.
Mark Mohr calls it "the common
identifier of Rastafarians".
Again an interchangeable use of Rasta and
Selassie Worshipper, especially in the light
of him calling Rastas either deceivers of
Selassie Worshippers of which he wants to
divide himself from, an interesting
explanation for wearing dreadlocks.
He has them stricktly for cosmetic
reasons, as his explanation of Paulus
"all things to all men" reveals,
but that doesn't make you a dread.
Samson, Samuel, and John the Baptist wore
dreadlocks to scare the Babylonians and
Pharisees with a symbol of their separation
from Babylon System and the coming wrath of
JAH on their heads.
Today, a Dread would "use" Red
Gold and Green, and call upon the NAME of
JAH rather then "use" a proven
Babylonian "term".
And a Dread would never "use"
these colors to symbolize Selassie not being
JAH.
That's not what the colors say, and
that's not what it means to say JAH rather
than "god".
Personally, I use the term
"god" to reach Babylonians. But I
call upon His Name JAH in my prayers when I
not simply call Him "Father".
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| This
is why I use reggae music, a genre that many
would say was birthed in the Christian
Church in Jamaica and was made popular
worldwide by Rastafarians such as Bob Marley…
To reach Selassie Worshippers. |
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| Again,
a strong divisivement between Rastafarians
and "the Christian Church". An
interchangeable use of "Rasta" and
"Selassie Worshippers". In
contrast with "Christian" on the
other hand. A Rasta, in Mark Mohr's
"political correct update" is
either a "Selassie Worshipper" or
a "Deceiver". In both cases, he
opposes them to the "Christian
Church".
Which Christian Church?
Certainly not the "Universal
Brotherhood of Christ", of which he
acknowledges "a growing fringe of
Rastafarians" to have a place.
And Reggae is not born in the
"Christian Church".* It is born in
JAMAICA. Many people attributed to this. The
people of the world owe THE PEOPLE OF
JAMAICA enormous gratitude for the gift of
REGGAE MUSIC.
It has gone international, but every
non-Jamaican Reggae Artist (I am one) will
always respect that Roots to the fullness.
And not limit it to some vague term as
"The Christian Church". For it was
not the Universal Body Of Christ which gave
birth to Reggae. It was (AND IS) the people
of Jamaica, whether they "go a
church" or "stay a
yard".
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| *=
Somebody I know once had his Internet
signature quoting Mark Mohr stating how the
Christian Church gave birth to Reggae to
which he commented with "I finally know
where the term slackness comes from
then" for which he was threatened with
a lawsuit. Although I am not a fan of
slackness at all, I do know that it has
always been a part of Reggae as much as the
spiritual aspect has been there. |
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| This
is why I use the image of the Lion of Judah
and named my record company "Lion of
Zion". Initially found in Revelation 6
and used to describe Jesus Christ, the Lamb
of God, this image has since been adapted by
Ethiopia, and later the Rastafarians… To
reach Selassie Worshippers. |
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| Ethiopian
Orthodox view of Selassie is that he
symbolizes the coming reign of JAH.
That's why he is called Lion of Judah or
"Ikon of Christ In His Kingly
Character".
It is by no means an Ethiopian adaption
of Revelation 6. Revelation 6 is a reference
to the Book of Enoch, just like the
Ethiopian Emperors are.
It's older. A spiritual significance
which is very important but never
acknowledged by Christafari.
And, just like all the Rastafarian and
Christian elements you can recognize in
Christafarianism, the original meaning an
significance are either ignored to
corrupted.
How can you possibly "use" the
Ethiopian Image of the Lion of Judah to
"reach" Selassie Worshippers?
The only logic behind it can be found
back in marketing books. Not in the Bible.
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| I
am not ashamed of these actions, for to
adopt such things is not a sin. It is not
like I am praying to Ras Tafari (Selassie)
or smoking marijuana as a sacrament. I am
simply being "all things to all
men" so that "for the sake of the
gospel I might win some." And through
the work of the Holy Spirit I have won some.
As you will see later in this writing, this
is where the real contention begins. |
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| For
an in-depth analysis of this particular way
on interpretation the Bible, I refer to my
book Christafarianism.
In the meantime it is clear, that this
whole situation is not about a band with
fans.
And Mark Mohr's "response" also
doesn't sound like that anymore,
either.
As a pastor, he "plants churches"
and "makes Christians" (not
Rastafarians).
His outward appearance and transforming
of Rastafarian symbology into something
Christafarian are the marketing tools for
which he defends himself by saying that it
is only a band with fans.
But in the same time he has a complete
biblical interpretation around it.
And he stresses the fact that he has
taken away all the things he calls
"Sinful".
The combination of the Band Leader with
the fans and the Pastor planting churches
and isn't so far-sought from my side,
but rather well hidden from his
part.
Mark Mohr got this philosophy from the
Sanctuary Movement. Friend and foe admit
this.
He was ordained as a pastor in this same
movement. This enables him to plant churches
and to "create a culture with the
fans".
The sanctuary movement comes out of the
Satanistic heavy metal culture and -perhaps
unwittingly- inspired Mark Mohr to treat
Rastafarians like Satanists.
When you exchange "metal" for
"reggae" and "Satanistical
metaller" for "Rastafarian"
(or "Selassie Worshipper"), this
becomes unmistakably clear, though, and the
house of cards begins to fall.
From a really in-depth analysis of the
Sanctuary movement, I quote the following:
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| Sanctuary
members then sought to discern what Christ's
lordship over what Christians wear means
when reaching out to people associated with
the heavy metal subculture. They tried to
demonstrate "concrete situational
discernment." Christ's lordship in
light of dress and appearance, both within
Christian culture and outside it, was really
the important obsession for church members. |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| And
this is indeed where the contention begins.
I find the fact that Mark Mohr treats
Rastafarians like Satanists very
offensive.
That he makes JAH say so by giving this a
biblical explanation and presenting it as
"making Christians" I find
straight out blasphemic.
This is exactly why I pointed out to the
fact that there are Rastas who do not fit
Mohr's description of "people who have
to hear the Gospel through my Rasta
Imitation".
For years, and years, I humbly pointed
out to this fact. To make him realize what
he was doing!
Now he has to admit that not all Rastas
are "Selassie Worshippers". He
even planted a church with a Rasta in
Trinidad.
But still he calls them
"Deceivers" and refuses to be a
part of it. Instead he clearly identifies
with "The Christian Church".
He stresses his differentiation by using
the theology of "Sanctuarism" to
"reach the Satanists".
Just like the people at Sanctuary do not
want to be a Satanist, Mark Mohr does not
want to be a Rasta and instead wants to
reach them. Like the people at Sanctuary are
trying to reach the Satanists.
Unfortunately, the whole theology of
Christafari is based on Sanctuary and the
activitities mainly take place within the
Christian Industrial Complex too.
Mark Mohr treats Rastas as Satanists and
his acknowledgement of the fact that there
are Rastas who he would consider as "a
brother in Christ" has not made him
realize this.
The tragedies that follow as a result of
his "created culture" are
numerous.
They started soon after Christafari left
the grounds of BIOLA UNIVERSITY and
"encountered" the first
Rastas.
The tragedies grew analogue with the
"plugging of the gap in the Christian
industry".
And they will continue to grow as long as
Mark Mohr keeps teaching his "ways of
spreading the gospel".
The Christafari Message Boards were a tip
of the proverbial iceberg.
The tragedies have come to a proportion
in the year 2004, that deleting a forum
surely doesn't "fix the problem".
Because it starts right there, with the
first posting. The "Response of Mark
Mohr To The Essay".
In it, he "boldly" announces
that Rastafarians for him now are either
Selassie Worshippers or Deceivers and he
apologizes to the Deceivers for lumping them
in the Category of Selassie Worshippers.
Then he claims God chose him to
"plug the gap". He is called to be
a leader in evangelizing to the
Rastas.
But when he is confronted by another
iceberg, namely that of the "growing
fringe of Rasta believers that deny the
divinity of Haile Selassie and worship Jesus
Christ alone", he is surprised!
He surely wasn't any part of that. He was
to busy calling them deceivers and treating
them like Satanists. And people who were
trying to tell this to him were silenced and
are silenced until this day.
I have numerous private responses to my
essay in which people express their total
agreement with me but say that they prefer
to try to tell this to Mark Mohr
personally.
I wish them a lot of success from this
place. A place with a history of seven years
doing exactly that.
I really don't want to say too much about
the reason why Mark Mohr calls Rastas whom
HE acknowledges as Christian
"Deceivers".
But if he acknowledges that these
"brothers in Christ" as he calls
them are born again in the Holy Spirit, he
says with that, that the Holy Spirit gives
birth to Deceivers.
I don't believe that JAH creates
deceivers. And that is indeed exactly where
the real contention begins. |
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| OFFENDING
RASTAS:
Over a month ago I wrote a Christafari
update that spoke of our last performance in
Amsterdam while on my band's European Tour;
" And God saved the best show for
last," I wrote, "for it was in
Amsterdam where even Rastas held up their
hands after the sinners prayer!" |
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| Mohr
only responds to examples which he has been
confronted with. Not really the other ones.
This is an indication that he is living in
an ivory tower and has absolutely no idea
what's going on outside of this little
world.
You can also see how the stories about
the long list of "saved souls"
needs a little side noting.
During a "tour", at the last
concert "even Rastas held up their
hands". And Mohr was actually quite
surprised.
Every time something like this happens,
Mohr speaks his of his surprise. Remember
the "growing fringe" he didn't
notice? Here's another one...
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| I
should have clarified in this writing that
the individuals were "Selassie
Worshippers". Please forgive me. But I
will not apologize for leading the audience
(including these Rastas) in the sinner's
prayer. |
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| How
did he know they were "Selassie
Worshippers"? Did he speak to them from
the stage and did he listen?
Or did he look to the "common
identifier of Rastafarians"?
No, he only realizes that he should have
called them "Selassie Worshippers"
because he can not argue against the
criticism that he receives for his facade.
You can also see how he has not really an
urge to be accurate in his statements.
"Leading the audience in the sinners
prayer"? All of them?
You see, it's very easy to say things.
Easy to say that you're saving souls as a
daily occupation. It's another thing to
actually do it.
Most Christafari concerts are not
Christafari concerts at all. They are being
invited by local churches who are doing the
best they can to reach out to their
surrounding. Then they invite Christafari to
reach out to their neighbors. Christafari
takes the mike and speaks the evangelical
correct language and considers that to be
their work.
Do you even hear a thing about people who
invite them? No. You only hear about the
many souls who are saved by
Christafari.
This is also a marketing technique,
straight out of the book of the
televangelists!
It makes people think that they want to
invite Christafari. Or support them with
money for the mission work they do.
It's all about "plugging the gap in
the industry".
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|
Mark Mohr's Response The The
Essay With Footnotes 3 |
| Mark
Mohr's Response to "The Essay" |
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| Messian
Dread's footnotes to "Mark Mohr's
Response" |
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| In
his host of hurtful words, the writer has
accused me of lumping all Rastas into one
category. Yet in his tirade, he then went on
to lump all Christafarians (as if there is
such a thing) and evangelicals into the same
category, grossly ignoring the vast
differences between each of our listeners. |
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| Now
that Mark Mohr apologized to the Deceivers
for lumping them in the Selassie Worshippers
category, he continues with a tactique we
often see with little children.
For some reason, he claims that I
"lump all Christafari listeners into
the same category".
He doesn't say how and where.
Again he claims a thing without backing
it up, telling his readers they have to
trust him.
Hmm...
Here the real reason why Mohr refuses to
quote me comes to the surface.
As he already admits, he doesn't want his
readers to check for themselves if his
claims are true.
He calls it a copyright infringement when
I quote him in accordance with the US laws
on copyright to show my readers where I get
my info from.
He doesn't tell his readers how he stole
a Dubroom Review and put it on the Lion of
Zion website without even asking
permission.
Don't bother looking for it,
though.
It has been replaced with a review that
calls on the reader to forget about the
"ever enigmatic Yabby You and Messian
Dread" and choose "a true
Christian roots artist."
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| But
what about Christian Dub artists? Besides
Christafari's one release (DUB
Sound&Power) and the ever enigmatic
Yabby You and Messian Dread, many have
searched long and hard for a true Christian
roots artist that is devoted to DUB 100% of
the time. Search no longer: introducing
Solomon Jabby, AKA "The Dub
Revelator." |
|
LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| Mark
Mohr calls Christian Rastafarians deceivers,
and Yesus Dreads "ever
enigmatic".
He's not a Rasta, being a Yesus Dread is
an enigma for him, but he claims that God
chose him to reach the Rastas.
Yabby You and Messian Dread. They are an
enigma for Mark Mohr.
Is that because both artists incidentally
don't happen to have any interest in being
sold on "Lion of Zion"?
Just like the unsubstantial claim that I
call myself a Rasta. A lie which is being
parroted by people who take Mark Mohr for
his word. But nobody can give the quotes
that would back up Mohr's claims.
Mohr's claims that I "lump all
Christafari listeners in the same
category" are just as
unsubstantiated.
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| Christafari
has performed at secular clubs, Rastafarian
festivals, reformed Mormon conferences,
Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical,
Covenant, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Four
Square, Catholic and non denominational
churches (to just name a few). Our listeners
come from all walks of life, various
doctrinal stances, different denominations
and very few of them even have dreadlockes.
This double standard is a blatant flaw in
his hypocritical essay. |
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The "flaw" is so blatant that
he can't provide one single quote.
He says Christafari plays at many
churches and even sometimes outside of the
Christian Industrial Complex.
So what?
I have reported on Christafari's
performance at Sunsplash Tour, for example.
He now says that I don't mention he has
played on tours like Sunsplash and calls it
a "blatant flaw" and sign of
hypocrisy.
His main argument for that is that he
calls his listeners
"Christafarians".
For a definition of Christafarians he
points out to an interview where he refers
to his fans.
So everybody who listens to Christafari
is a fan?
No, because in other publications he says
that Christafarians are members of the
"Community of Christ".
But in this description of the
Christafarians he stresses that they are not
only Christians and when they are Christians
they come from different denominations.
Here's the Band Leader again, hiding the
Pastor for too much critique.
The point is, as we have seen before,
that Mark Mohr has two gospels to spread.
The first one is his message of "Be
like a Rasta, but don't Be a Rasta",
and the second one is simply "buy my
music or visit my concerts".
When I criticize his teachings concerning
"being all things to all men", the
first gospel, he responds by saying that
he's performing for aaaaall kinds of people.
The second gospel. Plugging the Gap in the
Industry. |
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| And
even worse, my accuser is so frustrated that
I had lumped all Rastas into the same
category that he overlooked the fruit of my
efforts. People are getting saved. Selassie
worshippers are regularly coming to Christ. |
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| Now
he changes back to be a pastor again. Now he
wants to change all those Christafarians
(see the list in the previous paragraph)
into Christians.
Mohr seems to think my main frustration
is that he "lumped all Rastas into the
same category". And therefore he makes
his own categories: Selassie Worshippers and
Deceivers. Now I can't say anymore that he
lumps all Rastas into the same category, and
they're still all baaaad.
Problem fixed...
My problem, one of my main concerns,
however is written in the paragraph on the
left.
It's easily overlooked. But let me quote
him.
"the fruit of my efforts. People
are getting saved."
Forget about the churches that invite
him. Forget about the thousands of people
who send him thousands of dollars. Forget
about the thousands of people who pray for
him. Forget about giving praises to JAH.
Indeed. Mohr's efforts. Mohr's fruits.
People get saved.
But it's not about that, it's about a
band with fans, right?
What is it?
Which gospel will Mark Mohr choose in the
end?
His efforts, or JAH works?
Why does he call Rastafarian Christians
deceivers. Why are Yesus Dread enigmatic to
him?
Let me quote him: "Selassie
worshippers are regularly coming to Christ."
Now let me quote him a few paragraphs
earlier.
For 14 years I went on mission trips
to Jamaica and never met one
"Rasta" that denounced the
divinity of Haile Selassie. Given my
personal experiences, for a very long time I
used the general term "Rasta" to
describe such a person. But I realize now
that there is also a growing fringe of Rasta
believers that deny the divinity of Haile
Selassie and worship Jesus Christ alone.
Now what does this say? He says
"Selassie Worshippers (Rastas)
regularly come to Christ", but in 14
years time he has never met a Rasta who had
come to Christ, and he was surprised to find
out that Rastas were actually In Christ
without his notice!
So that's why he calls them deceivers or
"enigmatic" when he can't call
them Rasta.
It's not the fruits of his efforts, as he
so arrogantly calls his claims. And this is
important to realize.
Because Rastafarians and Yesus Dread know
what it means to carry Red Gold and Green.
They know why it is important to call on the
Name JAH. For them, wearing dreadlocks isn't
a tool to get acceptance.
But all these things and more become mere
marketing tools in the hands of Mark Mohr.
Marketing Tools to plug a gap in an
industry.
Forget about the first gospel. For then
he wouldn't call his brother deceivers and
enigmatic. But these brothers are an
obstacle in his aims, because they oppose
his commercial use of Rastafarian symbology.
He takes every significance out of the
red gold and green. His only argument is
that they're "Christian". But he
doesn't say why these colors are Christian
and why they point to Africa and not to
American of the Netherlands where I live.
He doesn't say so, because he doesn't
know. It's an enigma for him, or a
deception.
He can not "evangelize the
Rastas" as he calls it in the next
paragraph, without having to use Rastafarian
symbology as marketing tools without any
meaning.
People who know the true meaning,
biblical meanings, are deceiver and
enigmatic.
Is that the gospel, or is that a need to
"plug the gap" by discrediting the
"competition"?
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| Should
we stop all evangelization of all Rastas
because some of them may already be
Christians? Absolutely not. |
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| The
associated Press has called Mark Mohr
someone who can come up with a "snappy
slogan. |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| This
is one of them.
He has explicitly said what his
"methods of evangelizing" are.
They include calling his Christian brothers
"deceivers".
Every time Christafari will
"evangelize the Rastas", they will
show their difference with the Yesus Dreads
and for example the 12 Tribes Rastas.
So all Rastas know, that Christafari are
not Yesus Dreads or Rastafarians. With that,
Christafari clearly signals the message that
their gospel is a different one then the
gospel where for example the Yesus Dreads
and 12 Tribes Rastas refer to.
For most Rastas, there are two different
Christs. For the apostle Paulus too, by the
way.
Rastas know, that Babylon with her red
white and blue "god" and
"dreadlock hairstyles" has also a
Geezus.
Rastas equally know, that the Saviour of
the Yesus Dreads and the 12 Tribes is the
Yesus of which Haile Selassie was the
Defender.
And while Christafari may think that they
are "preaching the gospel", they
are signaling the babylon trademark by
constantly stressing how THEY are NOT
Rastafarian. Even Yesus Dreads are
enigmatic. |
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| EVANGELICAL:
I am a non-denominational born again
Christian. In his writing I have been
accused of being an evangelical--as if that
is a bad thing. The word Evangelical comes
from the Greek word evangelon and simply
means "one who evangelizes" or
"a preacher of the gospel". So
yes, I am an evangelical Christian. I know
some people that have gone to a Christian
church their whole life and never heard the
gospel--what a shame. That would never
happen in my home church. |
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| And
again it becomes clear that Mark Mohr
doesn't quote me, because he can then freely
say lies about me. Here is another lie.
I have never "accused" him of
being an evangelical. Let me quote myself in
the essay of which Mark Mohr says he
responds to in this article of his.
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| Now,
do I see the evangelical movement as
being similar to Xianity ?
No,
I do not.
I
grew up in a Pentecostal enviroment.
The Pentecostal church is originally a black
church and
can be considered a part of the world wide
evangelical movement. Generally spoken, the
evangelicals have
a sound view on the Person of Yesus Kristos
and Xianity obviously
preaches a false Christ .
In
fact, the evangelicals form one of the many
reform movements aimed at taking the people
out of the ungodly Babylonian system into a
genuine form of worshipping the Father
through Kristos.
But
on the other hand, there are many Babylonian
influences to be found in the evangelical
movement .
Many evangelical churches make use of
marketing schemes in their proselyting
efforts .
Not to mention the use of very authoritative
hierarchical systems when
it comes to organizing the churches. This
all in complete contradiction to the
Biblical message of freedom and equality.
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| Mark
Mohr says that in his church people will
hear the gospel and in some other churches
not. Compare it with his statement that all
Christians from all denominations are part
of the Body of Christ, and smile.
It's worse than what I say about the
evangelicals... |
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| I
do not take the Great Commission lightly.
After all, it is our COMMISSION from Christ,
not a mere SUGGESTION. |
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| More
manipulation. As his readers can not verify
if Mohr's statements are accurate, they will
assume that I have stated somewhere that
"The Great Commission" is a
suggestion.
But he can't quote me saying so. And
therefore he does it like this.
He simply states it and doesn't refer to
the material that makes him say so.
The reason for this is, as he stated in
the beginning, that he doesn't want to
"fuel the fire".
No, indeed. Because if people would
really know the scam, the fire would get
hotter....
I simply refer to the picture of the
Black Yesus on top of almost every page on
the Dubroom. When you put your mouse on the
picture you will read "Yesus
Kristos". And when you click on it, you
will read about the Gospel. The real one.
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| Where
I live the gospel is presented often at
church, camps, conferences, festivals, etc…
When this happens, usually at least half of
the audience in attendance is made up of
believers. So are they offended when they
hear this gospel message again? Absolutely
not! It is actually comforting to hear the
gospel message and know that you have
already responded to it. It is reassuring to
be reminded that you are going to heaven. |
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| And
what would happen if the preacherman would
call one half of the conference deceivers
and the other half unsaved? |
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| Should
an evangelist/preacher at a crusade stop
giving his message because half of the
audience has already heard it?--Absolutely
not. I would give this message (and have) if
everyone in the audience but one has already
believed. |
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| Should
a preacher stop preaching if he can only
bring his message by calling his brothers in
Christ deceivers? |
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| If
you had seen any of the Christafari shows on
our last 2004 tour you would have heard the
Gospel of Jesus Christ preached in love and
sensitivity, but without compromise. You
would have seen hundreds of people getting
saved. Are you willing to deny these
salvations because we disagree on a few
superficial issues? |
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| Ah,
the big list again. The many souls. Of
course, as stated earlier, the fruits of
Mark Mohr's efforts. I wonder how the people
who invited Christafari, who maybe worked
hard to get Christafari in their church,
would feel about that.
And is it a "superficial issue"
to call a brother a deceiver as
essential part of your message?
Hundreds of people getting saved? Really?
How do you know that? There have been many
studies and all of them point out to the
fact that so called conversions at big
concerts are often emotionally driven.
Let me give you an example from Mark
Mohr's own hands. The fruits of his effort.
Not his vain bragging about figures at
festivals he didn't even organize but simple
happened to hold a mike in his hand.
No, this is really the fruit of HIS
efforts.
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| In
past years I have gone into the Gully and
led rude boys to Christ. Upon arriving in
the upper part I was disappointed to learn
that all but one of the guys that I had
brought to Christ on my past trips were
either dead on in prison.
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
| You
see, what he does is talking with someone
and say a little prayer. Then he goes on to
his next thing. That is the fruits of his
efforts.
The bible clearly says that JAH is the
one who saves. When someone gets saved this
is the fruit of JAH. Not of Mark Mohr or
anyone else. Fire bun that.
Mark Mohr can pretend like he's some
Reggae Billy Graham saving souls by the
second, but that is one of the things you
see with the television preachers all the
time. The television preachers of which Mark
Mohr is a welcome guest.
And even when you could speak about
"man's efforts", they would not be
Christafari's but the local believers who
invite Christafari. |
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| I
often liken our calling as believers to that
of the Sower. In Christ's parable there was
an indiscriminant sower, one who tossed the
seeds of salvation everywhere, relying on
the Holy Spirit to do the work of
harvesting. |
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| In
the Bible, it says that the Holy Spirit
provides the growth, and also that the Holy
Spirit is the One who adds.
But Mark Mohr says that the Holy Spirit
does the "harvesting".
What he says, is that Jah reaps the work
of Mark Mohr's hands. I think this is a bit
too much of the self-respect that I see
reflected in so many of Mark Mohr's
publication. But this one really goes way
out of line.
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| The
sad thing is that in reading my accuser's
writings, it appears that he is more hurt by
the fact that some Rastas were mis-labeled
then that many of them are lost without
Jesus. How can one get so tangled up in a
misunderstanding of words and grossly ignore
the millions of Selassie worshippers that
are going to go to hell without Jesus? |
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| Remember,
Mark Mohr now calls those Rastas he doesn't
need to "evangelize"
deceivers.
Yesus Dreads are an enigma. He
differentiates himself from both groups as a
necessary element in his
"gospel".
He presents this "gospel" as
bringing Yesus Kristos to those Rastas who
he says doesn't have Yesus because they are
Selassie Worshippers.
His deliberate differentiation from Yesus
Dreads and Christian Rastas and his usage of
Rastafarian symbology as a mere marketing
tool to spread this "gospel" give
an additional message to that gospel.
Also to the ones he calls "Selassie
worshippers who are going to
hell".
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| Or
are they going to hell at all? It turns out
that this would prove to be the most crucial
question to ask. |
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| Anticipating
to his "report" from an email
interrogation. |
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Mark Mohr's Response The The
Essay With Footnotes 4 |
| Mark
Mohr's Response to "The Essay" |
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| Messian
Dread's footnotes to "Mark Mohr's
Response" |
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| DIGGING
DEEPER:
As I started to work on my response to
his extensive writing, I was initially going
to debate my accuser's words line by line--a
tremendous waste of my resources. But then I
realized that this writing was a distraction
to say the least. |
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| I
think, that he found out that re-publication
with footnotes, as this one, would show the
readers how weak his argumentation is.
Most of what people consider to be the
best parts in Mohr's "response"
turn out to be lies or air bubbles presented
as serious replies.
That's why he doesn't quote it, doesn't
point out to it, doesn't even mention my
name.
A distraction? yes. "This
writing", as Mark Mohr calls his
"Response" is indeed a
distraction.
To say the least.
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| I
began asking myself questions like "Why
would a self proclaimed believer be offended
if I witnessed to Rastas?" For even
Paul said that he would "put up with
anything rather than hinder the gospel of
Christ" (1Co 9:12). And when confronted
with those preaching the gospel for the
wrong reasons he acknowledged that at least
the gospel was being preached: |
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| Instead
of replying to my essay paragraph by
paragraph, thus forcing himself into really
studying the material like I do now with
Mohr's "response", he "chose
to ask himself question". And answer
them, of course.
The wrong questions, of course.
The answer doesn't matter.
You see, he draws attention to the
"preacher" where I refer to the
audience.
I'm not speaking about someone who is
"going to lost souls to tell them the
Gospel".
I am talking about my brothers who are
called deceivers and about other brothers
who are called "enigmatic".
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| "It
is true that some preach Christ out of envy
and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The
latter do so in love, knowing that I am put
here for the defense of the gospel. The
former preach Christ out of selfish
ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they
can stir up trouble for me while I am in
chains. But what does it matter? The
important thing is that in every way,
whether from false motives or true, Christ
is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice."
(Phil 1:15-1 |
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| In
fact, this Bible Scripture should be quoted
to Mark Mohr.
And then as a reference to the ones he
calls deceivers or enigmatic.
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| This
is the view that I have had towards the
plaintiff over the last 8 years. But this
passage does not calm the accuser's ongoing
frustration with my method of preaching.
"Why is that?" I asked myself. |
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| It
could be, that Mark Mohr has never seen I
tried to point out to him that there are
Christians in a group he presents as
Satanists.
Another reason why he calls me enigmatic.
Yet he never took the time to reason with me
until his little interrogation after my
essay.
I know quite a few people in his direct
surrounding who totally agree with me.
You know who you are, greetings. You
still believe you can talk some sense into
Mark Mohr. I don't believe that anymore.
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| While
compiling my thoughts on what I thought
would be a play-by-play defense of his
accusations, I stopped myself. I realized
that I was not allowing God to be my
defender. |
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| Well,
I don't need no defense myself in this
matter. I don't feel attacked or accused. I
don't have to compile my thoughts but rather
stop myself from putting too much down on
this virtual paper.
I have the most bizarre experiences: It's
like JAH tells me to look here, to look
there. When I ask a question, I get an email
from someone, out of the blue, telling me
what I need to know.
I see the manipulation schemes and my
only question is: does Mark Mohr realize
what he is doing or not?
Does the fact that he is criticized put
him in a state of defense because the points
of critique happen to touch the foundations
of Mark Mohr's "life ministry"?
But if your "ministry" is based
on calling other people in the Body of
Christ "deceivers" you're either
not part of that body yourself or you're
simply not in the right place.
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| I
was then struck with certain questions that
I wished that I could ask this person. I
prayed for wisdom and was woken up out of
bed early one morning with the following 10
questions for this individual. Rather than
making public judgments regarding him, I
went direct to the source and E-mailed him
10 simple, yet tremendously revealing
questions. |
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| Although
it reads like a bed time story, the true
sequence of events was different.
First, I tried for 7 (not 8 I believe)
years to reason with Mark Mohr. My essay was
a direct result of his unwillingness to
communicate. And to rectificate!
Then when I published my essay and put a
sample Chapter on the Lion of Zion website,
it was deleted.
I mailed about that and got replies by
Mark Mohr who, after a few exchanges of
emails, started to write me these question.
I initiated the contact, not him.
He didn't go to the source, the source
was already trying to talk to him as he was
doing for 7 years in a row.
So, did he wish he could ask questions?
Not quite.
He knew he could.
He was just asking himself which
questions would be the best.
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| These
10 questions helped this confusion all make
sense to me. They exposed the pivotal point
of division between this individual and
myself. Regrettably they also revealed a far
greater gap in biblical interpretation than
I had ever expected. |
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| In
a sample chapter for the follow-up of the
essay which is already pre-released at the
moment of this writing, I already report on
this particular train of events under a
chapter with the name Operation
Interrogation and Eradication. I'll quote
from it. |
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LINK
TO THE PAGE |
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| TEN
SIMPLE QUESTIONS:
In a letter, I challenged this person to
answer 10 simple "Yes" or
"No" questions. He then gave me
permission to publish his response to these
questions. But before he answered them, he
wanted to clarify his response with the
following statement: |
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| "I
believe you go to heaven when you either A.
Accept Yesus as your Lord and Saviour OR B.
If you are not against Him.
Here are my questions and his answers:
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| Mark
Mohr never explained to me who are the group
of people in Matthew 25 called the Righteous
and who visited Yesus in jail, and gave Him
food.
They had obviously not
accepted Yesus as their Lord and Saviour.
But they were good to what Yesus calls
"the Least of my Brethren".
And that's why Yesus
will tell them: Enter, for ye have given me
food to eat.
Go ahead, pick up your
Bible, Matthew 25.
Yesus is the Only Way
to JAH. This means, that YESUS KRISTOS holds
the keys.
It doesn't mean, that
when someone never had the chance to get to
know the Real Yesus (for example because all
the so-called Christians around him worship
the babylonian white geezus) that this
one will "go to hell".
It is up to HIM to
decide who goes to heaven or not.
Not to Mark Mohr or me
or whoever else but YESUS
KRISTOS, JAH!
And it is up to us to
share our faith in Yesus Kristos with
everyone who likes so. I never done anything
else, I will never do anything else, and
Mark Mohr knows it.
But still he chooses
to portray me in a way that I have to send
the complete interrogation correspondence to
certain people who were worried by his abuse
of my answers.
But he does so to his
own guilt.
Talking about
"accusing"...
Anyway, here are the
questions of the interrogation.
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1. Do you believe that a Muslim that
lives his whole live praying to Allah and
keeping his Lord's commands yet never
accepts Jesus as his Lord and Savior will go
to heaven?
His answer: If they are against Jesus
they will go to hell. If this person is not
against Jesus, they will go to heaven.
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| "Come
on, and come sit on Yesus Throne. And then
I'll tell the rest of the people that you're
not fit to sit there" |
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2. Do you believe that a Buddhist who
lives his whole life meditating and fasting
and keeping the teachings of Buddha, yet
never accepts Jesus as his Lord and Savior
will go to heaven?
His answer: If they are against Jesus
they will go to hell. If this person is not
against Jesus, they will go to heaven.
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| "Come
on, and come sit on Yesus Throne. And then
I'll tell the rest of the people that you're
not fit to sit there" |
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3. Do you believe that a Rasta that lives
his whole life praying to Jesus Christ his
Lord and merely views Haile Selassie as a
Christ-type, (but not God) will go to
heaven?
His answer: YES
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| "Come
on, and come sit on Yesus Throne. And then
I'll tell the rest of the people that you're
not fit to sit there" |
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4. Do you believe that a self proclaimed
Rastafarian that was raised up into
Rastafarian by his parents and lives his
whole live believing that Jesus is Lord and
that Haile Selassie IS this Jesus Christ (in
the second advent) will go to heaven?
His answer: YES
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| "Come
on, and come sit on Yesus Throne. And then
I'll tell the rest of the people that you're
not fit to sit there" |
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5. Do you believe that a self proclaimed
Rastafarian that was raised up into
Rastafari by his parents and lives his whole
live believing that Haile Selassie is
Almighty God, sitting on the throne (The
Trinity) will go to heaven?
His answer: If they are against Jesus
they will go to hell. If this person is not
against Jesus, they will go to heaven.
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| "Come
on, and come sit on Yesus Throne. And then
I'll tell the rest of the people that you're
not fit to sit there" |
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6. Is it true you have said that there is
a difference in worshipping the wrong God
and worshipping God wrong.
His answer: YES
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| Of
course. Are Jews who do not believe that the
Messiah has already come worshipping the
wrong God? |
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7. Would you say that someone who prays
to Selassie because he honestly believes
that he is Christ, is worshipping the right
God in a wrong way.
His answer: YES
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| Of
course. He believes Selassie is Kristos (=is
the Right God) doesn't he. He doesn't
believe Selassie is Satan or Baal. |
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8. Will this person (as mentioned in
question 7) go to heaven if they remain in
this belief until they die:
His answer: YES
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| You
see, this is the crucial question. This is
the question which only YESUS can answer.
And that is why He is the only Way. And that
is why He will judge. And that is why I said
YES.
How would I know?
I just know I love Yesus Kristos and I
tell everyone I know that I love Yesus
Kristos.
But I need no marketing tools and long
lists of saved souls and I also would never
call it "fruits of my effort" when
maybe people get to know Jah Yahoshuah ha
Mashiach through something JAH made me say.
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9. If someone is not going to heaven, do
you think that someone should evangelize
them and prayerfully lead them to
repentance?
His answer: YES
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| This
is the key question for Mark Mohr. Oh, how
much had he hoped that I would give him a
big fat no to this one...
But because I say YES, I am an enigma for
him.
He doesn't feel it, he doesn't know it. I
see. Do you see?
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10. Do you think that your personal
smoking of marijuana is a sin?
His answer: NO
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| Of
course. When someone would smoke herb and
praise Jah and not have a problem with that,
would he consider his herbal habit a sin? |
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FOR HIM OR AGAINST HIM:
After reading his surprising answers, I
had to respond to his e-mail with another
question for clarification. Are you saying
that "If they are against Jesus they
will go to hell? And if this person is not
against Jesus, they will go to heaven?"
I asked.
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| It
might have surprised him that I didn't fall
in his trick questions.
Of course, an enigma.
Even the ten question didn't reveal to
him who he was speaking with.
But hey, he should have asked all of
these questions to YESUS KRISTOS and not to
me.
But I think he wouldn't get an answer.
And the reason for that is, that it is not
up to us as mere humans to decide over such
issues.
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| "I
think the above is a correct statement in
all cases." He said. "Don't forget
what Yesus says: 'Come in for ye have
treated the least of my brethren well,"
He wrote. |
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| I
was referring to Matthew 25, but Mark didn't
pay any attention to that. |
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|
He then went on to further clarify:
"When Jesus told me that the time
had come for me to grow my dreadlocks
(around 1986), I asked Him how I should look
at things and He pointed me to this
scripture, I looked it up and it said 'who
is not against Me is before Me.' I know the
opposite is also there but the one here is
not often mentioned. Jesus told me to look
the scripture up and that was it. I believe
Jesus told me to always have that scripture
in mind when "dealing" with any
people, whether they profess to be Christian
Rastafarian or both or none."
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| You
know, some people really no like Yesus. They
hate him. They don't want to have anything
to do with them.
JAH told me to leave these people alone.
But He also showed through this
scripture, that there are many people who
are not against Him.
But they might not know Him. Or maybe
they do.
JAH knows, I don't.
Mohr speaks about "spreading the
Gospel" and he also speaks about
"witnessing".
One of my songs is called Eye
Witness.
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| He
then stated that the key verses that he
inspired his (virtually all-inclusive)
doctrine were Mark 9:38-40 and Luke 9:49-50.
These are passages that I feel this
individual has taken way out of context: |
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| Here
he starts to incorporate manipulation.
First he puts me on the Throne of
Judgment. Bringing groups (not individuals)
to me and forces me to speak judgment on
them.
But when I try to hint to him, how he
puts himself on JAH Throne of judgment all
the time by judging people who only know a
white Geezus and therefore look to Selassie
I.
And while he may think that he
"brings the gospel" to
"Selassie Worshippers" and JAH in
His Grace might touch the hearts of a view
wannabee Rastas during a Christafari
concert, in reality something more tragical
is happening.
His methods come from Sanctuary. In this
article again you can see that he uses
dreadlocks, red gold black and green, as
well as Reggae Music and the Ethiopian Image
of the Lion of JUDAH as an outward tool.
He doesn't respect the true meaning of
these symbols, even though none of them are
"unbiblical" in their original
meaning.
But still he must change them to fit his
ways. Because he refuses to be a Rasta even
though he has to admit that the reason for
that is not that you can not be a Christian
and a Rasta.
It goes further. I quoted the review in
which Mark Mohr abuses one of the artists he
is selling on his shop to present him as a
"true Christian roots artist", as
opposed to the "ever enigmatic"
Messian Dread and Yabby You. So even being a
Yesus Dread is something which is not in his
way of thinking.
Again: Who Feels It, Knows It.
Who Does NOT Feel It, Does NOT Know it.
And Mark Mohr really doesn't know it. He
even calls it deception and enigmatic, even
though he admits it's Godly origin.
In interviews, he even says how he hated
Reggae at first but started to like it
because it justified his use of marijuana.
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was a root of another kind that first
attracted Mohr to reggae. "From a
musical perspective, I hated reggae at
first," he admits. "What really
drew me to it was that it justified using
marijuana. But, as I listened more, I
started to like it."
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have researched Christafari for years. I
heard the many stories. I read the
biographies and reports.
The picture that Mark Mohr paints for the
Christian Press speaks volumes.
He was born and raised in an evangelical
family in a protected environment.
At a certain moment his brother (who was
an initiate in a fraternity and currently a
fund raiser for missionaries) has
"taken his little brother into
sin".
Mark got into trouble many times and was
involved in violence and hard drugs but also
went to Christian camps.
At many of these camps he "gave his
life to Christ", but then one time was
the last one.
A few days later, Christafari was born
and Mark Mohr went to Biola University,
where he wrote his book about Rastafari
which got him into trouble with Buju
Banton.
At Biola, they teach discipline in a way
that reflects the "tour morals"
quoted in my essay. It is evidently that
Mark Mohr's mind-set is significantly formed
at that place.
Take a look at the following, and tell me
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Biola students have chosen,
freely and willingly, to abide by the
following standards. We regard any violation
of these standards to be a breach of
integrity, since each member has voluntarily
chosen to associate with the Biola community
and to accept, uphold, and live by the
following standards.
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of sick in my eyes.
"Be Perfect, Or Be Viewed As
Deceiver".
Wheel!!!!!!!
"Be Perfect, Or Be Viewed As
Deceiver".
In anyway, this is the school where Mark
Mohr wrote his book(s) on Rastafari. It was
during a "project on cults".
He did not finish his education at Biola
University and became involved in the
Sanctuary movement.
Bob Beeman ordained him as a Pastor in
that community.
Until this day, Christafari is deeply
connected with the evangelical world. With
the Babylonian and with the true Christian
elements in them.
They perform at TBN (Terrible Babylon
Nonsense) which is a known Televangelist TV
Station with the same ease as they perform
in a church where people are genuine.
So that is their culture, and they're
into every element of it.
The Evangelicals consider themselves to
be the best communicators of the Gospel.
Mark Mohr reflect this mind set in this
"Response" when he describes his
Evangelical Identity.
I'll quote it here.
"I am an evangelical Christian. I
know some people that have gone to a
Christian church their whole life and never
heard the gospel--what a shame. That would
never happen in my home church."
Now when I started to think about the
many clashes between Christafari and
Rastafarians back in 1997, I came to realize
how ignorance concerning the movement of
Rastafari in it's complete richness and
context was the main cause.
The fact that he calls Christian
Rastafarians "Deceivers" and Yesus
Dreads "Enigmatic" confirms this.
The fact that he is surprised that
there's a growing group of Rastafarians,
spearheaded by the leader of the biggest
Rastafarian organization in the world, who
don't believe Selassie to be JAH, is another
confirmation.
This is not about spreading the gospel.
the gospel is being spread, but not in a way
that Mark Mohr notices it.
It is beyond his mind-set.
I try to hint to him, many times. When I
try to tell him, that there are Christian
Rastafarians, I mean with that that there is
a group of Rastas who he doesn't have to
"evangelize". I don't do that to
make any division, but I am trying to tell
Mark Mohr that he treats Rastafarians as
Satanists.
And because I have to step into his mind
set to tell him this, I try to point out to
him that there is a group within Rasta who
he can not treat as a Satanist so easily. I
hoped, that this would make him realize that
he was treating Rastas like Satanists.
And I had hoped that he would realize how
his facade of using Rasta as marketing was
unnecessary. I had hoped he would see
Babylon around him and be a Yesus Dread,
chanting down babylon. Not playing the
Reggae Man for the Television Preachers at
TBN and the Pat Boone Show.
He didn't feel the hint.
Instead he constantly refers to my
"marijuana use".
Mark Mohr's response is a typical
evangelical response to Rasta Culture. And
the fact that Yesus Dreads are enigmatic to
him makes this even stronger.
So Mark Mohr, with many evangelical
brothers and sisters, is like the Disciples
of Christ.
Totally unaware that outside of their
world, in different cultures, the gospel is
also being preached.
And that is what I tried to hint at when
I told him my personal story. The story of
which I believe JAH told me who I was. A
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9:38-40 "Teacher," said John,
"we saw a man driving out demons in
your name and we told him to stop, because
he was not one of us." "Do not
stop him," Jesus said. "No one who
does a miracle in my name can in the next
moment say anything bad about me, for
whoever is not against us is for us. |
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is the message of Yesus Kristos to all of
his followers who think that they are the
only group that does Yesus Works.
Yesus tells Mark Mohr, there are certain
people who are not against Him.
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above text and the verse from Luke are
parallel passages in the synoptic gospels.
Jesus is being asked by his disciple John
about someone that is "Not one of
us". According to the context, this man
was apparently a believer, but he was not
one of the exclusive company of the twelve
disciples. Nevertheless, he acted in Jesus'
name and had done miracles that the
disciples, on at least one occasion, had not
been able to do (See Mark 9:14-18, 2. |
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read Mohr's paragraph and change the words
"twelve disciples for "evangelical
world".
And change the words "this man"
for "Rasta".
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Jesus said "Do not stop him," it
is clear that Jesus' view of discipleship
was far more inclusive than the narrow view
held by the twelve. Jesus wasn't saying that
"if you're a good Buddhist, you will go
to heaven," the individual in reference
was obviously doing his miracles in the name
of Jesus and with the work of the Holy
Spirit. |
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you see how he doesn't see my hint, but
instead starts to "correct me" by
hinting to the reader that I had said a
Buddhist goes to heaven?
I wasn't speaking about "going to
heaven" anymore. I wasn't following his
interrogation. I was simply trying to hint
to him that this had nothing to do with
that. That it had to do with being a Yesus
Dread.
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9:49-50: "Master," said John,
"we saw a man driving out demons in
your name and we tried to stop him, because
he is not one of us." In this verse
John says "us," but Jesus shifts
the pronoun to "You" in the next
verse (50). This may mean that the man had a
relationship to Jesus of which the disciples
where unaware. "Do not stop him,"
Jesus said, "for whoever is not against
you is for you." |
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Yesus it doesn't matter.
If you treat a disciple of Kristos like
dung, He will see it as being addressed to
Him.
If you treat a disciple of Kristos good,
like you visit him in jail, He will also see
it as addressed to Him.
This is about two disciples of Kristos,
who indeed may both know the Saviour
personally but can not really overstand each
other.
I think this is the situation Mark Mohr
has with a lot of Rasta and Yesus
Dread.
But unfortunately he thinks I'm a New
Ager or at least presents me as such to his
readers.
His poor readers, who are being deprived
from any reference material as far as Mark
Mohr is concerned.
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accuser said that only "If they are
against Jesus they will go to hell,"
and used this verse as an attempt to prove
his point. Yet this verse is not about
someone that is against Jesus. It is clearly
about someone that is against his disciples.
"Whoever is not against you is for
you," The Greek is clear that this was
spoken in the context of opposition to the
disciples' work, NOT Jesus'. |
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think Mark made the Freudian Slip because
there wasn't any verse about no hell in the
parts he quoted.
And the verse wasn't about someone who is
against Yesus.
Or against the disciples.
Just different.
Besides, here we also have an indication
again, "the fruits of my efforts"
remember? There's a different in the works
of the disciples and the works of Yesus in
the mind set of Mark Mohr.
Who taught to do Mohr Work?
I rather do JAH Work.
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Mark Mohr's Response The The
Essay With Footnotes 5 |
| Mark
Mohr's Response to "The Essay" |
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| Messian
Dread's footnotes to "Mark Mohr's
Response" |
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get such a revelation from this verse is to
proof text and build upon the wrong
foundation. Beyond this, any such revelation
or calling must also be taken in light of
the specific context of the passage (as
stated above) and the general context of the
Bible. |
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real sad to see how the teacher Mark Mohr
can not see a teaching when it is presented
to him at a level which should be
overstandable for a spiritual preacherman
who God chose to plug the gap in the
Industry and Lead the Christian Reggae
Movement and Tell the Christian media About
Rastafari and more and more and more and...
mohr? |
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speaking about himself (and not His
disciples), Jesus specified in Luke 11:23
"He who is not with me is against me,
and he who does not gather with me,
scatters. We must be "with Him." |
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| Yes,
Mark Mohr. We must be "with Him".
And it can be, that there are people
"with Him" that do things which
you may not immediately recognize because it
is not a thing you have been introduced to.
But sadly you present yourself as an
expert on those people and you don't even
recognize your own situation in the bible
verse I gave you.
Not to go into a discussion about who is
going to hell. I don't know, you don't know.
JAH knows.
I presented this bible verse to you to
tell you something as a Yesus Dread to an
Evangelical Christian who thinks he must
treat Rastas like Satanists.
But again: Mark Mohr is the Band Leader,
The President of Lion Of Zion, The Pastor,
The Teacher.
But not a Yesus Dread. And not a
"Christian Rastafarian" or
Christafarian. He says so himself and
stresses it to a point in which he starts to
teach idiocy such as that Jah creates
deceivers.
Man oh man, what a situation.
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WORSHIPPING THE RIGHT GOD IN THE WRONG
WAY?
How can this individual say that if
someone is praying to Jesus, but believes
that Haile Selassie IS this Jesus then it is
okay? He also stated that this person is
merely worshipping the right god in the
wrong way--a minor infraction in his
mind--an abomination in the eyes of God.
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I said, that it was "okay" to pray
to Selassie thinking he is Kristos?
If I had thought so, I would have done so
myself. Kind of natural...
But remember, he bases this allegation on
his absurd interrogation of ten questions.
In his idea, everything is
"okay" as long as you're not going
to hell.
And here he also brings a more
interesting part into the article.
It is at this place, that he's going to
teach something which has as consequence,
that Jews are praying to Satan. Just watch
it.
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way my Bible reads is as follows: If I pray
to Jesus, ask him to forgive me of my sins
and make him Lord of my life--that is
salvation. But the second that I think that
this same Jesus IS Jim Jones, David Koresh,
Prince Immanuel or even Haile Selassie
himself, I am being deceived by the prince
of darkness. For on the day of Judgment many
will say "Lord, Lord," but he will
say depart from me, for I never knew you
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bible verse he quotes was about people who
said that they worshipped Yesus but never
did.
He uses it, to expose that his preference
for the word "god" over the Name
JAH is completely in-line with the meanings
of "god" and JAH.
Because he thinks, that when people say
they worship Yesus and do it not, this is
the same as people who think they worship
Yesus when they pray to Selassie.
People who say they worship Yesus and do
it not, are what the Rastas call the Xians,
the followers of the White Geezus.
These people know the Name of Yesus very
well. they use it to make money. To gain
popularity. Even to drive out demons and
"save souls".
But by doing these thing in Yesus Name
without committing JAH Work, they paint the
white geezus in front of many people.
And some people look to Selassie because
they only see a white geezus when they look
to Christianity. I would blame Christianity
more then any Rasta for this.
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Matthew 24, our Lord said to His disciples:
"Watch out that no one deceives you.
For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I
am the Christ,' and will deceive many."
(Matthew 24:4-5) And later in verse 24 Jesus
states "For false Christs and false
prophets will appear and perform great signs
and miracles to deceive even the elect--if
that were possible." |
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is more misuse of scripture. The only people
who claim that Haile Selassie said that he
is God are the ones who believe he is.
But according to Mark Mohr, Selassie
never said he was JAH. So why does Mark Mohr
use this scripture?
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this person is self proclaimed or not,
someone that is worshipped as Christ but is
not the Messiah is called a "False
Christ." I don't care if this person is
as godly as Billy Graham. If you pray to
Billy Graham and believe that he is the Lord
Jesus Christ, you will be very surprised
when you reach your final destination after
judgment. Hell is not the location of choice
among the wise. Yet as they say, "the
road to hell is paved with good
intentions." |
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So when I find one or two people that
worship Mark Mohr as Christ, this would
actually make him a false Christ?
He's got to watch it then, with all his
"fans". For fans have
"idols", which means just that:
idols.
A false Christ is someone who says he is
Christ but is it not.
The Bible verse he quotes says that many
will come and say I am Christ and that there
will be many false Christs.
In the Bible, Paulus was one time
worshipped as a god because of the many
gifts he had. did that make him a false
Christ? Is Paul a false Christ?
No.
Mark Mohr didn't get my hint. And he
thought I was proving to him why this group
was going to heaven and that group not. Oh
man. What a drama.
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CHRISTIAN-ISH UNIVERSALISM:
Needless to say, the answers to the above
ten questions ooze of universalism, a
teaching adhered to by many in the reggae
community from Big Mountain to Luciano. Yet
Christianity and universalism are
diametrically opposed at the most crucial
point.
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even going further and tries to proof now
that I am a New Ager.
I have written about New Age and the
false Christ it presents. I have exposed
"universalism" years before Mark
Mohr realized it was even there.
But that doesn't bother the quote less
responder....
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people claim that one may be able to follow
the teachings of Buddha, Krishna, Joseph
Smith, Vishnu, or even Mohammed, and go to
heaven without accepting Christ as Lord and
Savior, but do not let anyone "deceive
you by fine-sounding arguments" (Col
2:4). "Man is destined to die once, and
after that to face judgment" (Heb
9:27). We are all born into sin. |
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you also notice how he didn't mention Haile
Selassie one time here?
Because if you follow the teachings of
Selassie you will accept Christ as you Lord
and Saviour as Mark Mohr always uses this
evangelical term.
So I'll leave his quote of the Colossians
right there for him to meditate on, and
establish that he is now going into a rant
concerning heaven and hell, a subject he
raised in his interrogation and has
absolutely nothing to do with the subject of
my essay or my correspondence with him.
It only took place in his mind.
Or should I say, mind set?
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making Christ Lord of our lives and having
Him save us and forgive us of our sins, we
cannot enter into heaven, because it is a
pure and holy place and God is a Righteous
God. The Bible says that Jesus is Lord and
there is "no other name under heaven
given to men by which we must be saved"
(Acts 4:12). |
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the Bible says that there is no other Name
under which we can be saved, the message is
that Yesus Kristos holds the Keys. That HE
decides. Not WE.
It is up to us, to show Yesus Kristos and
His Message to people around us. It is up to
those people what they do with it.
It is up to JAH to say who will go to
hell. And Mark Mohr forced me to go and sit
on that throne and now he uses it to say I
should not be on that throne.
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this Name, every knee shall bow and every
tongue shall tell that Christ is King of all
Kings and Lord of all Lords (Phil 2:10 &
1Tim 6:14-15). Christ is "far above all
rule and authority, power and dominion, and
every title that can be given, not only in
the present age but also in the one to come.
And God placed all things under his feet and
appointed him to be head over everything…"
(Eph 1:21-22). Until man acknowledges all of
the above and places his life at Christ's
feet, they will not see eternal life with
Christ. |
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Bible verse after Bible verse drives the
reader further away from the original
scriptures which were used in the
interrogation... |
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aspect of Jesus' life drew a figurative line
in the sand, stating that if you're not for
Him, you are against Him. Never was it
"If you're not against Him you are for
Him." |
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WHY EVANGELIZE?:
If all peoples of all faiths are going to
heaven UNLESS they are AGAINST Jesus, then
that gives us little need to evangelize. We
might as well believe what we want. But
whatever you do, just don't curse Christ.
With this worldview, every day is
"choose your own religion day",
with no ramifications for one's sinful
actions.
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| When
you were thinking I was going too far when I
said that for Mark Mohr "everything is
okay as long as you're not going to
hell", think again.
He claims that I teach that you can pick
any religion you want as long as you're not
against Yesus and he totally forgets how all
these religions are against Yesus...
Maybe it's not possible to be a Muslim
and not against Yesus?
But I prefer not to see people as
Muslims, Buddhists and all that. Religions
come from Babylon. They bring mental
slavery. I prefer to see people as
people.
And as far as I'm concerned, my salvation
comes from Yesus Kristos. I am not ashamed
for it, my page on Redemption is very
clear.
But since Mark Mohr doesn't want to
bother his readers with the truth, he hopes
nobody will read it.
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exposes why someone would slander the
evangelicals. After all, in this
universalistic worldview, evangelicals are
no longer necessary. In fact they will just
offend someone's culture. They are a part of
"Babylon X-ianity," a phrase that
my accuser cleverly penned to define those
that do not see things through his broad
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see how here he clearly identifies himself
with the evangelicals?
In the first part of the article he more
or less tries to deny it and give the word
"evangelical" a more
universalistic meaning in the Kingdom of
Yesus. But here it becomes really clear. But
not a single time does he use the word
"Christian" here.
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he won't take my word (or that of the Bible)
on our need to evangelize all unbelievers
(including Rastas), perhaps he will respect
the doctrine of the Ethiopian Orthodox
faith. They state on one of their official
sites; "The Ethiopian Church remains
involved in missionary efforts amongst the
Rastafarians of the Caribbean and has
brought many of them to convert, and to
belief in the Ethiopian Orthodox
Faith." |
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even draws the Ethiopian Orthodox Church in
now.
The Ethiopian Church teaches Rastas that
Selassie is not JAH and as a result there
are many Rastas who do not believe Selassie
to be Jah as a result. Because the Ethiopian
Church doesn't say to the Rastas to stop
being a Rasta and become like a Rasta.
But that doesn't matter to Mark Mohr who
tries to proof to his readers that I am
unaware of this all where an article about
it has been on the Dubroom website since
about 1998.
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Christafari is not alone in our missionary
efforts amongst the
"Rastafarians," and our desire to
see them convert to Christianity as Bob
Marley did via the Orthodoxy. |
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is absurd to see how Mark Mohr denies his
readers access to the material he claims to
"respond" to, for they would see
immediately how the Ethiopian Orthodox
Church is well covered in the Dubroom and
the difference between the EOC and
Christafari is that Christafari teaches
Rastas to stop being a Rasta or be called a
deceiver and the EOC doesn't deal with such
crap.
But how would the reader know if they
only have to take Mark Mohr's words for it?
This is exactly one of the things I have
addressed in my essay. That within the
evangelical world Mark Mohr presents himself
as the authority on "reaching
Rastas" and all that.
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perhaps this individual will accept the
doctrinal statement of the Twelve Tribes of
Israel since he is such a great respecter of
the Prophet Gad. The TTOI denies the
divinity of Selassie, yet states "His
Imperial Majesty Emperor Haile Selassie 1,
Himself a follower of Jesus, and holding the
title of Defender of the Faith and leader of
the most ancient Christian Nation on earth,
Ethiopia, has commanded us to: '…arise
with the spiritual zeal and earnestness
which characterized the Apostles and early
Christians and let us lead our brothers and
sisters to Our Saviour Jesus, Who only gives
life in its fullest sense'." |
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was aware of the doctrine of the Twelve
Tribes Of Israel when Mark Mohr wasn't even
aware that there were different houses of
Rastafari, let alone what he now claims to
have to teach me.
I was blessed to transcribe an interview
with the Prophet Gad. In it, he says
Selassie is not God. This transcription is
authorized by Gad and has gone from pole to
pole. it is quoted in books with my name as
transcriber. For example in the book Dread
Jesus.
I have also sent Mark Mohr the interview.
He was very surprised. And now he says to
his readers that I am so stupid that I don't
even know that the 12 tribes say. I know
that they say. I told Mark Mohr what they
say.
But as far as Mark Mohr is concerned
everybody must think that he is the
authority.
And usually I don't deal with these kind
of things.
But now I just point out to it, because
it simply confirms that Mark Mohr claims God
chose him to plug the gap and only through
his and his efforts shall Christian get
reggae.
Otherwise they will be labeled as
deceivers or enigmatic and the artists he
sells are the "true Christian roots
artists".
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I am not a member of the TTOI, the above
quote best explains my harshly judged
intentions. In great "spiritual zeal
and earnestness" I have done all things
necessary to lead others to "our Savior
Jesus." |
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| No,
Mark Mohr is definitely not a member of the
12 Tribes of Israel. He's not a Rasta,
remember? He puts every effort in making
this oh so clear.
But when it comes to proving how I am a
new ager, the Rastas in the Twelve Tribes
are suddenly good enough.
Well, anyway, it's good to see Mark Mohr
knows at least that there ARE Rastafarians
who know Jesus and make no secret about it.
Because with that, he reveals he's not
that ignorant.
And his motives for not wanting to
associate himself with the Rastas he now so
boldly quotes are deeper then many think.
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if someone said, 10 years ago, "we have
found the cure to aids, a disease that has
recently ravaged the homosexual
community." Give my accuser's approach,
he would probably rather debate the validity
of the general statement "Homosexual
disease" and grossly ignore the word
"cure". The fact of the matter is
this; Christians are given a cure--a cure
for sin and eternal separation from God. |
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| It's
becoming a little bit boring to read how he
constantly calls me Satan throughout the
article he wrote, and now that he's
comparing the Rastafarian community with the
homosexual community to proof that I am a
new Ager it gets to a point of total
absurdity.
While his readers are still thinking that
he is factually defending spreading the
Gospel of Yesus, he is going on a total rant
based on ten trick questions.
He's approaching the point in which he is
exposing himself to such an extend that I
doubt that when people would really research
the Dubroom they would still consider Mark
Mohr's response valid.
I think the fact that he calls me Satan
and claims that quoting me or pointing out
to "my" site is absolutely
unnecessary takes him into a spiritually
very dangerous situation.
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my accuser has a serious problem with
evangelicals and pastors as a whole because
of some bad past experiences he has had,
after all, it is not easy being a pastor's
kid. If this is the case, I am sorry. But I
refuse to be ashamed of (or water down) the
gospel of Jesus Christ. |
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| In
the 2-hours of phone contact Mark Mohr
forced me in, he said: "I believe you
are seriously hurt by the church". He
thought that that was the reason why I wrote
my essay.
I told him I knew that even if I have
pain through a church whatever, I know that
he didn't do it.
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may get offended. But the Gospel is called
an offense, a stumbling block and
foolishness by those who are perishing. |
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his ten trick questions is all he has, and
therefore he has to portray me as some
anti-Christ who is against spreading the
Gospel. The True Gospel. |
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| In
a recent e-mail to one of our moderators my
accuser wrote: "I will also no longer
post on the Christafari Message
Boards." This is a wise decision that I
support. I challenge you to hold to this
word and continue your works on your own
message board. Anyone that will miss his
words is welcome to join him on his own
message board on his own site. |
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happy he sees I'm not totally unwise :) |
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One forum moderator summed it up best by
stating the following:
"I see you doing your best to
destroy any chances of spreading the Gospel
of Christ to any who need Him. I see you not
as some one that is concerned for the souls
of the lost. I see that you want to
discredit without trying to build up. You
have lowered yourself to a mere accuser of
the Brethren.
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| Mark
Mohr confirms the final rebuke in which I am
given to Satan, and people are told I should
be treated as a publican and a heathen man.
They only make Yesus and Paulus say it
and apply it to me.
And they're not ashamed to call me Satan
either.
A Yesus Dread is called Satan by
Christafari because the Yesus Dread tells
Christafari he exists, and many brothers and
sister in Rastafari with him.
Because the existence of Yesus Dreads and
Christian Rastafarian, the ones who would
rightfully be carrying that name Christafari
which he prevented from being used
truthfully by patenting it as a trade mark
for business.
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have one final word of advice for my
accuser. If you wish to stop being called an
"accuser," then stop your
out-of-context misquotations, off based
judgments and remove your 60-page
accusation. Then this posting will no longer
be necessary. |
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| This
is indeed how Mark Mohr "fixes
problems". He deletes them. Boom. Gone.
Next one...
In my phone conversation with him, I
asked him why he was talking with me anyway.
After all, in the "final
rebuke" I was given to Satan and
they also made Yesus say I was to be treated
as a "publican and pagan
man".
He agreed that he was not acting
according to the biblical process they
initiated to me.
More simply put: The Bible tells you that
when you give someone to Satan you don't
talk with him anymore.
To "fix that problem" he then
said: "Do you want me to take it off,
then"?
I answered him to leave it, as it already
happened.
Like so many things already happened.
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will know that we are Christians by our
love. A house divided against itself cannot
stand. I do truly love you with the
compassion of Christ and am sorry to have to
answer your challenge, but you demanded it.
This is my final response on this matter. |
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| Well,
there was a final rebuke, and there was a
final response.
I don't think it is so final, though.
This whole response is just a small part of
it all.
I wanted to write a more general
response, kind of like the one he wrote
here, but with quotes and links of course.
However, the research for the follow-up
of my essay will take longer as a group has
formed and the research goes deeper.
In the meantime the so-called response
goes around like some kind of thought out
piece that is a sufficient answer to my
essay.
I hope therefore to have satisfied those
people who were waiting for my comments on
this "response" a little more.
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